Talk:Manifestation

woah, wait. lisa in sh1 isn't a manifestation, is she? as i understood she was the original, but kept her human form because alessa thought she truly cared for her. i mean, kaufmann and dahlia aren't manifestations either. lisa only changed, after she went down into the basement and...well "found the truth". after that alessa cursed her just like she cursed the hated hospital-staff.

just what i thought, prove me wrong ;) Beast in your head 19:24, January 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Good point, though we never truly know if the Lisa we see is the original one. I believe she may have been created from Alessa's Otherworld and her memories of Lisa, and that she doesn't feel like she should leave the hospital because Alessa never saw Lisa outside of the hospital. I'll put her under possible manifestations. AlexShepherd 20:48, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, you guys are probably right she may be a manifestation.Hesham 21:08, January 26, 2010 (UTC)

The Wording
So, I don't get it. Why is Josh considered a manifestation if we're talking about "not-real people"? Maria is the only legitimate manifestation I see here. Does someone mind explaining it better? Robert Orville Berkshire 21:44, January 26, 2010 (UTC)

Because Josh is dead, and in Alex's mind he thinks that Josh is alive while he is not, that is why Josh is considered a manifestation.Hesham 21:53, January 26, 2010 (UTC)

Plus Alex interacts with Josh (in the opening for example; Robbie) which qualifies him definitly as a manifestation. Beast in your head 22:20, January 26, 2010 (UTC)

Joshua is dead, but Alex repressed this memory because it was so painful for him. The Joshua that Alex sees isn't Joshua who came back to life, or Joshua's ghost. He's merely a figment of Alex's delusion and his role is for Alex to come to his senses and realize this. The one who we see running around Silent Hill isn't real, hence he's a manifestation. AlexShepherd 03:30, January 27, 2010 (UTC)

Hope that we were able to provide you with an answer. :) Hesham 22:02, January 27, 2010 (UTC)

Shattered Memories
In Silent Hill: Shattered Memories, Harry Mason is a manifestation, yet he was able to interact with all the people he met in his search for Cheryl. However, at the end, Harry walked in on Cheryl's meeting with Kaufmann, but, unlike Cheryl, Kaufmann didn't even acknowledge Harry. So, I believe that everyone Harry met (The Bar Maid, Cybil, Michelle, Dahlia, Lisa, John, and the Stewarts) are manifestations as well. What do you think? --Random Ranaun 05:18, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure. Dahlia is definitely a manifestation, we get to know the real Dahlia later on. It is possible that everyone is/was a manifestation, but what about Cybil? It wouldn't make any sense. She knows about the truth, finds out that Harry died 18 years ago and even quits her job in some cases. On the other hand she freezes over... but the freezing could be, to her, be a blackout of Harry or something. I guess thats up to one self. I really believe that Cybil is real, the Stewarts should be, too. Beast in your head 14:23, February 14, 2010 (UTC) Uhm...i broke it :D Could anybody fix that ôO

Well, somethings about Cybil some odd to me. Like, why is she at the diner drinking coffee when no one is around to serve it? Why does she disappear when she gets out of her car? How does she always find Harry, and fish him out of the water? Why does she walk into the darkness at the end? And I was kind of under the impression that if people froze when the Ice World came, they weren't real, just like Harry froze at the end. I believe that Harry crashed his car into the lake and Cybil could have been the police officer who got his body out. She also could have been the police officer who told the Mason's the truth about Harry's death, and the police officer who arrested Cheryl. Therefore, Cybil's manifestation is similar to Harry's, because she was made so she could tell Harry the truth and stop him from being delusional, so Harry could help Cheryl. And since she could have been the officer who got Harry's body out of the lake, her manifestation always saves him when he gets stuck underwater. Also, since she could have been the officer who arrested Cheryl, her manifestation tries to arrest Harry in the game, and she could have said that she was going to quit her job because, like Harry, she thought she was real. And the Stewarts seemed to me like they weren't real. I mean, Cheryl draws them in her meeting with Kaufmann. If you look closely at Mike and Lucy, they look similar to aged versions of Harry and Dahlia. And the family members of the Stewarts mirror the Masons. Mike/Harry, Lucy/Dahlia, Katie/Cheryl. So, I believe that the Stewarts were a manifestation of the perfect family that Cheryl wanted. --Random Ranaun 19:57, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

Nun = Possible Manifestation?
I don't understand how the nun from Downpour isn't a possible manifestation. Considering she is the only one, apart from monsters, residing in a delapidated monastery and doesn't react strangly when Murphy appears from nowhere or when she uncovers the Bogeyman she should really be suspected as a manifestation. Granted it hasn't been confirmed but it hasn't been denied either. HeatherMorris6806 23:35, May 10, 2012 (UTC)

I agree, especially when considering Murphy's past experience with nuns and the orphanage. Likewise, what would a nun be doing randomly in silent hill? A place for the condemned. I say its a manifestation, at least a possible one. --Carousel123 4:52 pm May 10, 2012

Monsters = Manifestations
The article already states that all monsters are manifestations, therefore is it necessary to have monsters under the "Notable Manifestation" Column. It might be simpler and more concise to just have the human manifestations and leave the monsters to the monster page. --User:Carousel123 7:43 pm May 16, 2012