Talk:Margaret Holloway

Monster Parents
Made a small edit pertaining to Adam being one of three parents not killed by monstrous versions of their children, rather than two. This is assuming that the manifestation of Pyramid Head, whether he is brought about by Alex or not, doesn't count. --Faded-Myth 15:39, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

-- Somarinoa 05:26, January 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think Pyramid Head was there to punish adam for sucking, because pyramid head is awesome incarnate. --Dfskelleton 16:14, November 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * You know, that's a good question as to whether PH counts or not given the Pyramid Head ending. I don't think it counts, exactly, since Pyramid Head seems to exist in Silent Hill no matter what, but Alex being able to transform into one is almost a sort of way of referring to our protagonist's duality towards his father; not being loved by his father his whole life likely led to him wishing his father ill and...whatever. I'm sort of distracted, but yeah, PH could be considered an analogue to Alex punishing his father (as Alex would have been the Monster if things had gone correctly...then again, there wouldn't be monsters then, would there? ... Augh, now I'm just confusing myself). That would also help indicate why PH left Alex alone, despite the fact that the entire event was his fault to begin with - PH served as Alex's monstrous analogue.

I don't know if anybody else can tell but doesn't Margaret Holloway's concept art look kinda similar to actress Cameron Diaz?

CherylMason12 01:31, February 27, 2011 (UTC)CherylMason12

Surrogate Mother
Somebody added that Judge Holloway served as a mother figure for Alex. While this would have been interesting to add to the plot, what in the game suggests this? There seems to be little love between them. They seemed to have a positive relationship at the beginning of the game, but I never saw Alex going to her for advice and love. She never showed any love for himi either. Yes, him not being sacrificed doomed them all, but she purposely tried to make Alex suffer horribly before he died. Likewise, after Alex killed Holloway, he called her a bitch. I don't see any son-mother relationship between them.Michael R. Kopischke 05:15, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

that was me. If you read Elle's Diary and Alex's Diary, you will see that she took care of him. --XXkamoXx 00:05, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Margaret's sanity
I recently noticed something. The first time you meet her, her eye colour flickers from white to blue. I'm wondering whether this is hint the fact that she is slightly...well...nuts, or a problem with the game itself. I know i'm really grasping at straws about this, but i thought i might bring it up. --Yuffie2211 ユフィ・キサラギ 07:27, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

I assume it's a lighting issue most games have that now a good example is Isabela from Dragon Age Origins if you meet her she looks real pale but she actually darker toned it's easier to see on my pc because its graphics for Dragon Age Origins are ok so I can see that shes darker, it was amusing when people were like OMG why is she dark all of a sudden when she was announced for Dragon Age 2.....went a bit off topic ahhh well— Riley Heligo  11:50, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

Like i said, grasping at straws. --Yuffie2211 ユフィ・キサラギ 08:24, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

Fourth Female Antagonist?
Is she really the fourth female antagonist (the first 3 being Dahlia, Maria and Claudia), I'd see her as the third because Maria didn't impede James in SH2. Also if she is the fourth female antagonist how weird is it that the first 3 games contained 3 female antagonists with names are 2 syllable names ending with "-ia". HeatherMorris6806 23:46, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

is her being the a female antagonist that shocking to anyone here. most antagonist tend to be women in the series. whats really rare are male antagonist like Walter or Sewell(although Sewell is more of a flashback villian) and even in Downpour there was a female MAIN Antagonist.Mister 83 (talk) 21:43, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think it was that, Mister 83, but more of the fact that she doesn't think Maria to be a female antagonist. - Enjoyableari AKA MommaGamr (talk) 21:58, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

well in the case of Maria she's more a final antagonist rather then main antagonist. more of Anti-Villian really.Mister 83 (talk) 17:52, September 15, 2012 (UTC)

Main antagonist
It is clearly noticable that  Judge Holloway gave orders to Curtis  to kill Elle. ChasHades   07:20 March 3 2016


 * That doesn't necessarily mean Margaret is the "main antagonist", just that Curtis is her subordinate. And that's not enough. Merely commanding someone to kill another doesn't necessarily mean she's the main antagonist of the ENTIRE game. — Alex Shepherd   ツ  20:04, March 30, 2016 (UTC)


 * Margaret was like the leader of the Order and that she was responsible for kidnapping the townspeople.  ChasHades   11:40 March 3 2016

Doesn't make her the main antagonist, which in turn doesn't actually exist. Primary antagonist would be more accurate, both Curtis and Margaret share the role of the primary antagonist.  Riley Heligo The Forgotten Sinner 22:53, March 30, 2016 (UTC)

But I saw Pyramid Head and Maria being listed as "arguably the main antagonist" of Slent Hill 2 so why saying that it doesn't exist if those two have it.

Needs to be changed, it's basic terms. It's the same as using "main protagonist", protagonist refers to main character as antagonist refers to main threat what antagonises said protagonist. Adding the 'main' to both is redundant.  Riley Heligo The Forgotten Sinner 23:35, March 30, 2016 (UTC)

I just saying the Margaret is the main antagonist and that Curtis is the secondary antagonist and that Margaret is like the "ventriloquist" of the "puppets", Curtis and the Order Soldiers. ChasHades   1:38 March 3 2016

Being the leader of said group doesn't mean others aren't equal in their role of being an antagonist.  Riley Heligo The Forgotten Sinner  23:48, March 30, 2016 (UTC)