Talk:Silent Hill: Book of Memories

Returning
Honestly the only thing I whant this game to have is Heather returning. Would it be cool if they had almost all of the previus protagonists return like her and Alex and Henry? XOXO Gossip Girl FAN 15:02, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Yes I totally agree i really want henry to appear again! Or eileen that would be a dream come true. From 20x21, August 18, 2011

Apparently none of that is happening...Tomm Hulett said this is an all new game, with new characters and a whole new plot. There's this book, and your whole life is contained within its pages, that's why they're all new characters. What would be the point in explaining Henry's life or James' life? (clearly lacking arguments)TheDarkOnePH 23:15, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

RPG?

kinda looks like an rpg don't you think?

Indeed. Health points and battles everywhere, kinda reminds me of an old MMO I played once.........let's change subjects now shall we? xD TheDarkOnePH 00:25, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

Do you think there will be any chances that this game gets ported to the PS3? (I mean think about it: Origins was supposed to be PSP exclusive and Shattered Memories Wii exclusive) So I think Book of Memories will get ported to other consoles too (since its not canon and a spin off it actually looks interesting in my opinon) what do you think about it?

theres a chance that it could as well as a chance of it coming out for xboxlive arcade one day but theres nothing out there that says this game is noncanon (besides the bias opeanon of spin offs always being noncanon and people handel change but to each there own yeah) so yeah theres a chance i remember that they said there was plans for a xboxlive arcade SH it could have envolved to thisTHE10of13 20:27, November 3, 2011 (UTC)

Quick question
One of the monsters looks alot like an insain cancer. Am i allowed to meantion that under the picture, or am i the only one who see's it? --Yuffie2211 Uso mitai na I love you~ 04:59, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

Shoot!
So now I have to buy a PlayStation Vita? Well, sonuva... I don't suppose there's any word on the ability to mute voice chat, is there? Hearing some other player in any game really pulls me out of the experience, and it'd be a bummer to have to avoid multiplayer altogether because of that. — Somarinoa 17:43, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

Unknown Monster??
Well i saw some pics on Joystiq.com, There are 2 pics that really amuse me:

Well can anybody, or Can I make an article about these new monsters?

 BOGEYMAN 11:37, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

PC Version?
How do you know there is a PC Version?

Stated here http://www.joystiq.com/2012/07/31/development-timeline-silent-hill-book-of-memories/ it says PC Demo is already played...  BOGEYMAN 13:50, August 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * Read it over. It says there was a pre-production PC demo used to initially show off the game, it doesn't necessarily mean it's going to also be on PC. — Alex Shepherd   ツ  15:40, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

The original concept demo looked like something worth playing, unlike the garbage released.

People on youtube say this game is gonna suck...
weird how every youtuber is saying that this game is gonna suck....i agree with them, but i don't know why???? Omgvk64 (talk) 23:46, October 27, 2012 (UTC)

The majority of people refuse anything new by nature, likely your doing the same thing for if you dont why. - Gage key bearer

Voice actors...
I found this: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/632693-silent-hill-book-of-memories/64382378

Well, if BoM's voice actors are really known in any recent anime, it won't be hard to tell their names.

AlexSH (talk) 22:06, October 29, 2012 (UTC)

I added some reviews online, and updated the score of the MetaCritic site
I gotta say, this game is a blasphemy to the Silent Hill name. The story is very shitty, and the place is not even Scary or Silent Hill. What, they think adding notable monsters make this game Silent Hill? There are ideas that are great, like protagonist customization so that there is a sense of attatchement, and new combat experience, but the rest of the new gameplay sucked. This game is blasphemy.

The6thMessenger (talk) 03:59, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

This is talk page, please keep your opinion in the Forum

 BOGEYMAN 05:58, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

Wood/Water dungeons' characters
Hello!!!

So, I just saw that it's noted in the Wood that it focuses on Katie-Trent, and that the Water one focuses on Trent-Katie.

I don't really know if I'm right here, but, it seems to say that male characters focus on Katie and then have a rivalry with Trent, and that female ones focus on Trent to later have a rivalry with Katie.

If that's what it's meant to say, it's wrong:

Male characters deal with Katie-Trent, while female ones deal with "Matthew and Ashley", if you'd like to change it (I'll get the full names later if I can, too).

Also, If you'd like to add this to their respective articles: The Guardians represent the people that are affected by the Book in their respective dungeons, like:

Derek=Fire Guardian

Matthew/Katie=Wood Guardian

Graham=Light Guardian

Ashley/Trent=Water Guardian

Jack=Earth Guardian

Shannon=Blood Guardian

SPOILERS

The Main Character=Steel Guardian

/SPOILERS/

I say this because it's said in the note just at the beginning of the Steel Realm, so this symbolism is clearly stated by the main character him/herself.

I'll also add pictures took by myself of the bosses, monsters, etc. later, so, feel free to use them to complete articles.

Thanks!!!!! :D Bigsister (talk) 15:20, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

This is awesome! There's no need to post it on the talk page however, if you've got the info then by all means you should edit that in! Do you know how the Guardians represent the people they are affected by, by any chance?

Carousel123 (talk) 15:51, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, OK, next time I'll edit it straight to the page :D

And sorry, but, I don't know how they represent them :( The main characters just finds a note that says that he/she found out that the guardians were actually the people that were affected by the book, and that if they were there, that means that there must also be one Guardian that represents him/herself, and that he/she must find and destroy it before anyone else does. That's all that it's said, sadly :( So, the other parts of their symbolism have to be found out by us :)

I'll return later with lots of screenshots from the game: Notes, Characters, Bosses, Monsters, artifacts, dungeons, weapons, etc! That should help! :D

OH, and, the steel guardian is actually the avatar the main character uses to "edit" their past and the other people's, the Guardian says so, and so it's description! Bigsister (talk) 16:17, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

Joke Ending
~Spoilers~

I think there is an error in the ending's writing, where two character's names are switched. (I realize that this is just the joke ending, so its not a huge deal or anything, but i wanted to check). "Katie" asks "Kayce," if she has talked to Matt (who would be her boyfriend in this case) about her nightmares. Later on it is mentioned that Matt is dating Katie. I assumed that Katie was the prep girl, because she is the only one who isn't given a name at this point, but perhaps Kayce is just a nickname for Katie? Not sure, but whoever wrote the ending wasn't very specific.

Carousel123 (talk) 17:13, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

Past game references in notes
Hello. I just want to post here some of the final notes you can get, which are also kind of like lost memories from past Silent Hill games, and maybe they can be put in those character's articles, as saying they are mentioned in this game, too. Note that who wrote them is just speculation (except for the first ones, because it's even noted who write them). If someone can confirm if I'm right (or wrong) at my guessing of who they are, please, tell me (or correct me)! :)

{| width="100%" Note #92 The Order's claim to worship 'local' or 'native' deities is a dubious one. A religious layperson could easily trace their belief system to a number of European, pagan, and native American traditions, with a dash of Jedeo-Christian to escape suspicion. More likely, their origins lie in a coming together of several outcast sects on 'sacred ground' to weather the Revivalist furor of early America. -Joseph Schrieber
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Joseph Schrieber
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Note #93
"I just wanted my daughter to grow up and have a normal life. A life without all this madness--I wish that damn cult never existed."

Harry {| width="100%"
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Note #94
"I'm a horrible person. I wish I could forget about all this... go back to how she was before the illness. She could be the woman I always wanted."

'''James, isn't it? I just say this because the illness, but, am I right?''' {| width="100%" Note #98 "That son of a bitch took everything from me. I'm going to kill him, no matter what it takes. He has to pay for what he did to my father."
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At first I thought it was Heather, but it was a "she" who "killed" her father, and she wouldn't name a monster as "him" . So, I think it's Anne, right?
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Note #99
"I want the best for my Alessa--for our sacrifice to mean something. My beloved daughter will change the world."
 * }

No need to name her (:
So, can anyone tell me if I'm right? I just put this here to help a little at recognizing references to past games (:

Later I'll put more screenshots in my blog - sorry for the delays, I'll put them later, as soon as I can, I'm really sorry for the delays :(

Bigsister (talk) 20:14, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

Canon or Non Canon
When the game was announced every single website I've seen said it was non canon but after the games release that disappeared. I was wondering if they changed it to canon or not after the games release? - Gage key bearer


 * I'm going to go with a canon spin-off since that's what we were told. It obviously wants to take place in the same universe with all the notes referring to past characters. The joke ending is likely the only thing that's non-canon. — Alex Shepherd   ツ  04:01, December 6, 2012 (UTC)

Ok so it is canon spinoff to the main series not seperate continuity like Shattered Memories. Thank you. =) - Gage key bearer

Reception
I notice the 'Players' part of the Reception section has been removed - I actually think it should stay. The thoughts of players are no less relevant than those of the critics, and I, for one, actually value player feedback more. I know 'personal opinion' is not allowed on the wiki, but I think an exception should be made for the 'Reception' section. After all, it is not technically personal opinion, being the general reaction from the public, and is no less valid than the collective opinion of, say, IGN. As long as it is a single general-consensus statement, as it was, I think it is perfectly acceptable, and should remain. Dark Shackle (talk) 22:12, April 27, 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree with you, since I don't see why only media outlets should have a say. Although some of the "opinions" may be hard to cite, they are no less valid. For example, many of SH4 players dislike the fact that they have to revisit the same worlds twice, and it's hard to find such criticism in a review by IGN/GameSpot/etc, but it is obviously a general and common complaint if you look around fan forums. The admin Riley Heligo on this wiki apparently doesn't agree with this, so you should take it up with him. — Alex Shepherd   ツ  04:27, April 28, 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi. So, from what I can gather from my other admins, we normally don't allow for "Player" Reception to be posted on the pages, and from what I see on our other game pages, they don't have them there either. I do not think that we should add them to one game while not having them in the other games.  As such, the players part of the reception for this game will remain off the page.  If you like to discuss your criticisms or opinions about the game, please feel free to start a post in our Forums section. Thank you. Enjoyableari (talk) 23:29, April 28, 2017 (UTC)


 * Okay, Thanks Ari! I agree with Alex though, that while hard to cite, there are common criticisms that you see in a lot of forums, and in some instances players feedback would be a valuable addition. Take the films for example - movie critics are most likely non-gamers with little knowledge of the series, and their criticisms may well differ to those of the fans. I know a lot of people disliked the films portrayal of Vincent, but movie critics will not pick up on the differences between 'SH3 Vincent' and 'Movie Vincent'. I think as long as it is kept as a short summary as it was, it is no less acceptable than citing a Metacritic score, and I think would be a worthy addition to the Reception section, not just on this page but on the other game pages as well. Is there any chance of reconsidering the inclusion of player reception, or is this rule set in stone? Dark Shackle (talk) 00:08, April 29, 2017 (UTC)


 * Nothing is ever really set in stone, but I would need to discuss the possibility of a rule change with the rest of the admin team.  Unfortunately, our current active admin team is literally from all over the globe, so getting us all together at one time to discuss things is next to impossible.  However, for the sake of brevity, I will bring this up to them and see what they think.


 * For now, please feel free to utilize the forums, like I mentioned, or perhaps work out a way to rewrite the reception part that doesn't flat out say it's a players reception.  That way if the admins and I ultimately vote no, we can still see if that can be a workable compromise.


 * If you have any questions in regards to the wiki please feel free to post a message on my wall. I try to check the wiki at least once a day.  Enjoyableari (talk) 00:36, April 29, 2017 (UTC)


 * Okay, Thank you! I really appreciate you taking the time to look into this, I genuinely think it would be a good addition, as I, for one, value fan feedback just as much as critical reviews. It may be possible to expand on the points made by the critics to include the players criticisms, even if they are only slightly touched upon in the reviews, but I will not make any changes just yet, as it's probably better to wait and see what the other admins think first. Dark Shackle (talk) 01:11, April 29, 2017 (UTC)


 * i definitely appreciate you waiting, and like i said, will discuss this with the admins as soon as possible. I'm sure there is a solution that will keep everyone happy.  King Regards Enjoyableari (talk) 04:07, April 29, 2017 (UTC)

The problem with including "fan reception" in articles stems from the fact that it is really difficult to find reliable sources to cite which prove beyond any doubt that there is indeed a consensus among fans, even though in many cases it might be a fair assumption to make - for example, A LOT of people vocally criticized Licht for composing the music in Downpour, however I personally thought it was alright, if a bit understated. Also, the reason for criticism isn't always objective. If we take the Licht example again, a lot of fans were just pissed off that a new composer was taking the helm. Iunno, I just feel like it would be really easy to find a bunch of supportive material for both stances in any given scenario, and so it would be better to leave the reception sections to the "professional" critics. We should make a rule to ban IGN from our articles tho :^) -- Murphy Pendleton  :D  01:45, April 30, 2017 (UTC)


 * We don't need to prove there's a consensus. Simply saying "some fans felt that..." is fine. I know that it counts as "weasel words", but I don't see an issue here and it gets the point across well. — Alex Shepherd   ツ  06:59, April 30, 2017 (UTC)


 * Looking around, there does seem to be pages where fan feedback would actually be beneficial. Just look at the 'Comics' pages. The only reviews are the light-hearted mocking of an internet comedian. These certainly are 'personal opinion' and could be interpreted as biased, as he clearly, as a comedian, will not be taking them seriously. Not the most reliable source, I'm sure you'll agree. If fan feedback was allowed, it would add some balance - just adding "The comic was also negatively received by fans of the series" would confirm a comic really is bad, while adding "The comic was warmly received by fans, who praised the expansion of previously minor characters back stories" (Howard in Past Life, for example) would make it clear there was something for fans of the series to enjoy. I know it's hard to find a general consensus (short of holding 101 opinion polls!) but as long as we use some common sense and only quote what are clearly majority opinions, I don't see why there should be any problems. Dark Shackle (talk) 14:52, April 30, 2017 (UTC)

All opinion is biased, naturally, yet the reason I'm hesitant to give my support for it is because I don't feel like we should speak for the community. Allowing fan opinion on articles, even is we don't use absolutes ("some fans") I feel is opening the door to a lot of mess. Taking the comic example, some could argue that the characterization of Howard in the comics was poor, not adding much to the character at all - I'm not saying that is what I think, but if others do then we could have a real back and forth kind of thing going on. Where there is a lack of professional critical response, I feel we should just give raw info and leave out the reception part, unless we cite an aggregating site like metacritic or something like that. It all depends on the wording though. We should look at in on a case by case basis, or not look at it at all. And case by case would would take a while, especially with the lack of activity on the wiki... What is it exactly you would like to see included? -- Murphy Pendleton  :D  23:08, April 30, 2017 (UTC) -- Murphy Pendleton  :D  23:08, April 30, 2017 (UTC)

Might as well speak up seeing as I'm the ol individual who's caused this whole thing. My main reason for removing fan reception is that it comes off as biased. Reviewers are paid for their professional opinion of a game/movie, while I do believe it'd be beneficial to cite the reception from the reviewers. Wasn't even aware of the comedian's 'review' on the comic reception pages. However saying "some fans felt that..." comes off as alienating to me as it's like we're speaking for the community, while fans definitely have their opinions; to me it doesn't feel right as an encyclopedia to allow it to be mentioned on pages where they're written to be non-biased. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, I'm not trying to indicate they can't have one, but at the current moment I can't see it being used in a beneficial way for reception, especially on certain pages such as Silent Hill HD Collection, that was written in a pretty poor way.  Daimyo Heligo The Forgotten Sinner 23:37, April 30, 2017 (UTC)


 * Aren't professional reviewers just as biased? I mean, publishers throw money at IGN and the games get good reviews. Why should one or two professional reviewers speak for everyone in a Reception section? Sometimes, a lot of video game reviewers aren't even real gamers and come off as biased themselves. I still remember when Morgan Webb criticized Xenosaga 3 for having a complicated story when she never took the time to invest in the story of Xenosaga 1 and 2. Just something someone is paid to do something, it doesn't mean it's any less biased. The criticism should be evaluated on its own. If a lot of gamers don't like something, then it's a valid point of criticism to mention. Mentioning "some gamers don't like" is NOT speaking for the "entire community". This is where your point doesn't make sense. If it was "gamers felt that" or "ALL gamers felt that", then it would be biased, but the addition of "some" makes it non-biased. — Alex Shepherd   ツ  07:32, May 1, 2017 (UTC)


 * I can understand your concerns, Riley, but in fairness critics are paid to review a game, yet the players pay their own money to play it, after which they are likely to invest a lot more time into it, whereas a critic will probably playthrough once then move on to another game to review. As Alex points out, critics can also make unfair criticisms if they do not understand the series, or even just because they dislike the genre. As such, it seems fair to allow players to have their thoughts shared. I know it is unlikely everyone will feel the same about a game, but there are often points of praise or criticism that are shared by the majority of players, and it should be acceptable to include these. It is a 'Reception' section after all, so it is arguably more alienating to exclude player opinion. I agree with Alex, as long as looser terminology, such as "many gamers", is used there should be no issues. I know I have read reviews which start "A lot of people found..." only to disagree, but I simply think "Well I'm in the minority then!" - I never feel excluded in any way, everyone has their own opinions. I think it may be important to clarify at this point that I feel player opinion should be strictly limited to the 'Reception' section of main releases, be it game, film or comic, and these sections only. Anything outside of these pages likely will cause problems - everybody will have their own thoughts on individual characters, and being more niche points of discussion, a general consensus is harder to pinpoint. Any pages short of confirmed facts have a 'Speculation' section anyway, which adequately covers any grey areas. As long as player opinion is restricted to the 'Reception' sections and only covers majority opinion, much like the statement removed from this article did, I feel it is perfectly acceptable and will cause no problems. Dark Shackle (talk) 21:20, May 2, 2017 (UTC)


 * All right guys, So, after some careful consideration, we have decided it is best to leave the fan reception out of the main article pages, and relegate them to the forums, as that's the purpose of said forums.  This decision is made due to other admins hesitation to add it, the fact that we wouldn't know where to draw the line on what is considered fan reception and simply someone adding their OWN thoughts and saying it is everyone's thoughts. Other wikis within the survival horror genre that is not owned by any active editors here do not add fan reception to their articles either, and I do believe that is for the best.
 * I understand both sides of the story, and while I appreciate the enthusiasm for adding new life into the articles, this is something I would prefer to not add.  Like I said, the forums are an excellent place to discuss these things.
 * If at any point the admins' opinion changes on this topic, I will be sure to create a post for it.  For now, any fan reception edits will be reverted. Thank you. Enjoyableari (talk) 22:39, May 2, 2017 (UTC)


 * It has become apparent that this is a very divisive issue! While there are clear pros and cons to including player feedback, it seems that, ultimately, whether to include it or not comes down to, ironically, personal opinion. As such, I shall accept your decision - with so much uncertainty, it probably is for the best to go with the accepted norm. I have to say though, I'm impressed with the reaction this has provoked - I really appreciate you all taking my point into consideration and taking the time to discuss it at such length - Thank you all for taking the time to share your views. Dark Shackle (talk) 00:05, May 3, 2017 (UTC)