Talk:Incubus

I've always had this little doubt: when Harry defeats the Incubus, and the Incubator appears to give the baby to Harry and dies, who is really dying? Alessa (by that meaning the person, the girl, the human being, whatever you call it) or God? --Lady ligeia 18:37, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Samael is not Incubus
Incubus is NOT Samael!!!! Dahlia tells Harry about Samael, but she's not referring to the cult's god, but the devil itself! Samael is just another name for Satan. Dahlia lies to Harry and tries to confuse him. You can confirm these affirmations knowing and understanding the videogame or the entire series, or even reading official texts. It's OBVIOUS that many people got confused by Dahlia and think that Incubus is Samael when it is NOT. I suggest that this article will be corrected.

Best regards.

Lingüista (talk) 16:45, September 8, 2012 (UTC) (forgot to sign)

You know this how? There is nothing to disprove this, from Harry's perspective because he doesn't know any different, Incubus is Samael. The god itself will appear however the conjurer wishes it too appear. People seem to put a lot of emphasis on religion in a game that is meant to be fictional. Also just for reference, Samael is not SATAN.

Also official source, this doesn't disprove either theory. Instead no matter what she told him, Harry didn't have a friggen clue what she was on about:

"Silent Hill Official Guidebook Complete Edition wrote:

Q: What is the Mark of Samael?

A: The truth is that there is no profound significance.

Dahlia uses the phrase "the Mark of Samael" while speaking to Harry. This is a      sophism to make Harry worry that terrible things are happening that must be stopped at any cost; it's nonsense that falls under the category of wordplay. Dahlia thought she could use Harry to catch Alessa, so she used incomprehensible terms with feigned sincerity.

Mr Hazard (talk) 16:33, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the response. I'm glad that there are people like you in this wiki, who trust only in the original videogame themselves and not other external sources that may be mistaken since they are not truly related to Team Silent. I was confused, but I now think that Samael and Incubus are one and the same! I watched all The Real Silent Hill Experience many times and tried to understand everything they say. I think they are right in almost all if not everything. I based my affirmations in especulations and no real evidences, and the Silent Hill Official Guidebook Complete Edition, but as you said, officialdoesn't mean necessarily that is correct. I think now I'm pretty sure about the truth of this question. Best regards.


 * Anyone can twist, take out of context, and cherry pick official information to their own liking. TRSHE is no exception (there's an upcoming documentary called "The Grate Debate" which will include counter-arguments). The most important thing you can do, as an educated human being and fan of the series, is get a well-rounded understanding of the whole picture and decide yourself. Look at the points made, as well as the criticisms of it. — Alex Shepherd   ツ  13:06, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

I tried to figure out and search everything by myself. When I couldn't go furhter, I searched other sources like wiki pages, Silent Hill Official Guidebook Complete Edition (where official doesn't necessaritly mean correct nor true since it was not written by Team Silent members themselves I think) and The Real Silent Hill Experience. I think they are pretty well informed and give good reasons and explanations for most of their affirmations. Of course they can and must be mistaken in some points, but in general I agree with them. I know now that Incubus is another name for Samael, and another name for Satan. It all makes sense now. Even some of the franchise creators have seen TRSHE and said that it was very good. I've reached a pretty good point of understanding of Silent Hill plot, and I'm happy for that. I just love the franchise, very especially the first years and releases like SH 1-3 and even the fourth. Now I know far far more about the Silent Hill series or franchise, even I still can't understand some details of the original SH; but I think that only can do Hiroyuki Owaku himself and some other Team Silent members maybe... I will definitely see that The grate debate. I love true SH fans' videos and explanations. It will be uploaded to YouTube? Best regards. Lingüista (talk) 16:45, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

Incubus is Samael... and it's not
Hi again. So I've searched more around and replayed SH3 paying even more attention to everything I found. And I did find something interesting (well, all is interesting, but one particular thing that I didn't remember) about Incubus and Samael. There's a book in the library where Heather meets Vincent, near the end of the game, where Heather reads a note about the god of the cult being called Samaelin a bad way (to demonize it) by the Order oppositors, the cristian immigrants that came to Silent Hill. So Incubus is Incubus, but is also known as Samael even when it's not. What do you think?

Lingüista (talk) 19:23, September 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * I think you're making it a little more confusing than it has to be. The memo is talking about the female sun deity in red (God) being given the name of the demon (Samael). The Order doesn't worship the Incubus (aka Samael) from what I know. The same memo also has a photo of the Incubus in it, and it could be used to illustrate that it is the demon named Samael which opponents of the cult refer to the female God by. — Alex Shepherd   ツ  20:04, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

The Incubus was how Dahlia perceived God I believe. Much like God from Silent Hill 3 looked like Alessa, because Claudia thought God resembled Alessa. The Order worships "God".... they all just have different interpretations on how it looks. What Samael has to do with this.. I don't know... Mr Hazard (talk) 21:09, September 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the replies. God, this is confusing me. So how we can be sure that Incubus is also Samael if nowhere in the videogames nor in any official text appears as it? Dahlia is the only one that mentions Samael, but referring to the mark of Samael, which we know that is in fact called Seal of Metatron... :S Anyway, who is Incubus? I thought it was the god that Dahlia wanted to give birth... Lingüista (talk) 22:10, September 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * The answer to your first question can be found in the second-to-last picture in the article's gallery. I've never seen anything say Dahlia wanted to give birth to "Incubus", only "God", so AFAIK, "Incubus" only refers to the creature Harry defeats. — Alex Shepherd   ツ  22:34, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Correct the Seal of Metatron is being used by Alessa to pretty much annihilate everything around her, including herself to stop the birth of "God". There is a lot of over analysing when it comes to Silent Hill, and a lot of people draw real world influences to prove their theories. I say this many times but it's a fictional piece..... The name Samael is nothing more, just a name. Personally I think the developers chose the name because it's a fairly neutral name.... it's neither good nor bad (Samael is NOT Satan) and is often misinterpreted by religious folk, academics and the common man. Therefore the name doesn't hold much weight... if she said the "Mark of Satan"... we would have instantly associated this with a evil force.. but Samael is more of a "Who is he again?" It just makes the game much more confusing for the player... I don't think the developers ever really wanted us to firmly believe that Alessa was a malevolent force (via what Dahlia says... until we found out she isn't (obv)), but throw us into the grey area as it toys with our minds more than just giving up Option A (Alessa is EVAL) and Option B (Dahlia is a lying hag)... and we know that the Silent Hill series... likes to leave us more confused than conclusive. HENCE WHY EVERYBODY ARGUES ABOUT I :D

Whether or not Samael = Incubus is never specifically mentioned EVER, but it never mentions that Samael is not Incubus either, it's a red herring nothing more... As soon as people throw real world religion into the mix up, automatically debunk whatever they say.

~ Edit. Actually there is an image in the Centennial Building Archives in Silent Hill: Downpour. Personally though I'm not sure whether this conclusively answers this question, because of some of the info discussed earlier in this topic.

However what we do know (Book of Lost Memories) is that Incubus is Dahlias delusion of what God would look like.... and we also know (via Ito) that Incubus was based of another religious figure,"Baphomet", for the following reason (exact words) "Baphomet icon is really so famous here (Japan), so, when I depicted the "Incubus", I didn't consider any specific iconographic" Pretty much he designed it... because it was famous, not because of the religious iconography that it was attributed to... What isn't to say that was the same reasoning for the name "Samael"?

Mr Hazard (talk) 22:57, September 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the replies. It's true that Silent Hill is so overanalysed, but it's because it has a very rich and complex story or plot. It's also true that people tend to search in real-life data to make their theories, when the developers probably didn't make any direct relation, just took inspiration. In addition, I'm getting more and more convinced as I know more about Silent Hill that the creators didn't want us to know everything to make it more interesting, mysterious and creepy. Owaku told it himself. Anyway, it's pretty normal that the fans want to know as much as possible and analize and question every theory. About the God, I would say that Dahlia planned to give birth to the entity that the woman in red dress in SH3 represents, which if I'm not mistaken is the god of the town and the cult's. What we don't know yet is that if Incubus is really her encarnation, although it seems not since a human being like Harry or Heather can kill it so “easily”... In SH3 it is said many times that a God born of hatred and who creates an otherworld or a world like that is not a good one. Maybe the entity that the cult is trying to give birth is not really a god, but a demon... I don't know, it's all just too complex and unexplained, and also important lacks of evidence. So I'm just making theories just like many else and still enjoying the videogames nowadays. Knowing more things about them and wishing to know more makes you want to replay them. So it's good. Thanks again and best regards. Lingüista (talk) 13:09, September 19, 2012 (UTC)