Talk:Lisa Garland

Puppet Nurse
I was of the opinion that Lisa isn't a puppet nurse, as she isn't infected by a parasite as far as I'm aware. I figured she was simply dead and didn't know it. A different fate to the other nurses due to her direct interaction with Alessa. Thoughts? --Faded-Myth 17:12, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, Lisa is clearly a puppet nurse when she "dies". I think Lisa was never Lisa in the first place, she was simply a memory of what Alessa thought she was like laid over a puppet nurse and used to distract Harry. Once Alessa lost her powers, Lisa's vision and being then faded into what she had really been all along. This would explain the extreme shift in her personality seen in Origins. The kind version of Lisa in 1 would simply be an abused child's vision of a regular woman, which isn't necessarily correct. AlessaGillespie 03:47, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Kaufmann is a very bad man. --TheGoodman 00:12, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * SUPPORT? AlessaGillespie 06:06, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Lisa's only 16 in Origins... --TheGoodman 09:21, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * How is she a nurse at only 16? That's gotta be breaking some laws somewhere. (then again, I've never worked in the nursing industry :/) AlessaGillespie 00:26, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing Climax didn't do any fact checking when they were working on Origins. She might be able to get some kinda work permit, though...I dunno. --TheGoodman 02:37, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I haven't played Origins yet, but doesn't she say something like "I'm a trainee here."? So she isn't actually a certified nurse, but is rather in training to become a nurse? AlexShepherd 04:30, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Indeed she does. That answers one question... --TheGoodman 05:31, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


 * But isn't nursing based on training and schooling? At 16, she's not even out of high school yet. AlessaGillespie 05:53, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, the first Silent Hill is assumed to take place around 1985 or so, so if it was 7 years ago, Origins would take place around... 1978? Maybe high schools allowed 16 year olds to take nursing courses and schooling back then. I have no idea! AlexShepherd 07:37, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


 * The writers screwed up. I guess you should just ignore the age discrepancy.


 * As thin an idea as it is, the fact that Silent Hill is a very small and secluded kind of town, maybe a few rules are stretched to suit their needs. Silent Hill isn't above breaking a few laws (or moral boundaries). For example, there could be some unwritten history between Kauffman and Lia that led to her getting her a job at a young age. or it could simply be down to a lack of people interested in nursing. Anything is possible. --Faded-Myth 13:59, 30 May 2009 (UTC)


 * In many countries the age required to be a nurse is 17 years old, so it wouldn't be too far fetched for Lisa to be a trainee, especially if her mother and grandmother were nurses before her. Omniance 13:23, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Shattered Memories
Will Lisa be reappearing in Shattered Memories? DiSlOcAtOr ChRiS 00:59, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's unknown at this point, given the fact the game is telling a brand new story based on the original. It's best to wait for more information to avoid conjecture. --Faded-Myth 03:25, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I like that in Silent Hill Shattered Memories, Lisa is more...important i guess...But she is more talkitive!
 * But i hate how she dies.. :/ its either you walk in and she dieing (give her the right pill for that) or you walk in and she already is dead. (give her wrong pill for that) i gave her both right and wrong ( i played game twice )
 * and i experienced both of these happenings. also ( i read this online, so i dont know if this is true...) if you are in Lisa's apartment and you look in the mirror, you will see Lisa changing. (this will increase the chance of getting the sleaze and sirens ending.) -LisaGarlandNurse 07:23, 27 May 2012

Sex with Kauffman
I think the line (And that she enjoyed it) sounds a little like things are being dumbed down for readers and isn't really necessary.  AlessaGillespie  Talk   Contributions  06:58, September 28, 2009 (UTC)

Agreed.Marcus J Reyner 07:05, September 28, 2009 (UTC)

I was wondering. Is Lisa a bitch. I mean that I heard the only reason she was taking care of Alessa was because of White Claudia (a drug). Does this mean Lisa never cared for her?. User:Left4Deadseries FAN, 21:33, 09.02.2011


 * Lisa did care. It's in her tone when she says "and that poor girl.. Alessa... to die like that." There's no doubt that Lisa pitied Alessa. In the Play Novel, Lisa also apparently gave Alessa a diary as a gift. It was a job she hated though -- constantly changing oozing pussy bandages and stuff. It's similar to James, who was sick of caring for his wife at home. James loved Mary, but at the same time, hated his job of caring for her. AlexShepherd 21:39, February 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * *gigglesnort* ..."pussy bandages"... — Jiya na miki  03:53, May 9, 2011 (UTC)

Lisa's Age in Origins
I don't know if it's correct to assume that Lisa is 16 yrs old in Origins. I assume this was derived from the fact that she was apparently 23 in the original Silent Hill and Origins takes place seven years earlier? (Is there a source on her age in the original Silent Hill? I went back and checked the original manual and she wasn't listed there so I'm curious where it came from? Is there any official source stating she's 16 in Origins?)

For the sake of this discussion I'm going to assume her age of 23 in the original Silent Hill is correct and is established from some official source and that her age listed here in Origins is determined from deducting 7 years from that age. While this is possible, I don't know that I agree with this assertion due to the fact that Lisa is already (probably) dead during the events of the original Silent Hill. That's always how I interpreted her appearance there. Maybe other people don't agree.

She states near the end of the original game that, "I get it now... Why I'm still alive even though everyone else is dead. I'm not the only one who's still walking around. I'm the same as them. I just hadn't noticed it before." I took from that statement that she's really one of the walking dead/"monsters"/manifested apparitions. That's she's not really alive and never actually was during the story. Then at that point when she comes to terms with and realizes what she is, she manifests her "true form" and starts bleeding profusely. Then after Harry leaves and immediately returns to the room she has disappeared like a ghost. So I take away from all of that her being already previously deceased and her appearance in the story was in the form of a ghost or apparition given physical form like the other creatures manifested by Alessa.

So assuming that's true, the question that remains is when did the "real" Lisa die? (Or did she?) I guess it's possible the real Lisa is still alive and working in Alchemilla hospital and that the Lisa in the game's story is just a manifestation of Alessa's impression of her. I doubt that theory because everyone else that's involved from the town (Kaufmann, Dhalia) seem to have been pulled in against their will. They seem to be of a different nature than Lisa. They seem to firmly know who they are and don't die until killed by another entity in the world whereas Lisa just spontaneously "died" upon realization of what she was. (And then just comes back "alive" out of nowhere during the ending to take Kaufmann down with her.) Further evidence she's some kind of apparition rather than being alive like the others.

Maybe she's still alive and Alessa left the real Lisa alone in normal Silent Hill and is only punishing/using the others. But Team Silent has said Fukuro Lady is the soul of Lisa being tormented so something's pissed at her and has a hold of her soul. So my assumption from all of this is that Lisa died previous to the events of Silent Hill and the Lisa Garland in the game is Alessa's (possibly interpreted) manifestation of her. Similar to James' interpreted manifestation of Maria and Mary ("Maria" ending) in Silent Hill 2. (The behavior of her character in 0rigins seems quite different from the original representation of her character.)

So if we conclude then that the real Lisa was already dead previous to the events of Silent Hill 1, then the question again becomes, "when did she originally die?" If she died a few years before (possibly from an overdose), then while the apparition of Lisa Garland we see during the events of Silent Hill 1 may be 23 yrs old, that may just have been her age at her time of death. If she had still really been alive during the events of Silent Hill 1, she maybe would have been actually older and thus also older when Origins takes place. So unless there's an official source stating she's 16 yrs old in Origins then I don't know if we can conclusively determine that. As others have stated, it seems unlikely she'd already be working as a nurse at that age. And Kaufman would technically be committing statutory rape and providing illegal drugs to a minor. But maybe he's just a real dirt bag. MisterArrogant 23:58, May 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's revealed in Translated Memories. It's Origins with an O, not a zero. Also, I think you're putting too much thought into this... you could have written an essay about this. She's not a registered nurse, she's an LPN, meaning she hasn't fully gotten her nursing degree yet She also mentions that her mother and grandma are nurses, so she comes from a family of nurses -- it's not unbelievable she could be an LPN at 16. Plus it's the 1970s. — Alex Shepherd   ツ  00:36, May 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Origins also has many other strange things, such as Alessa having blue eyes (In SH1, Alessa's eyes were indeterminable) and Heather having brown/hazel eyes. Then there's Alessa being found on the 2nd floor, while a memo in SH1 states it happened in the basement. I really wouldn't worry about such a thing like Lisa's age if Climax didn't put the thought in those other things... — Alex Shepherd   ツ  00:45, May 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * (The title for the game has been written both ways in official sources, but ultimately... who cares?) Anyway, I agree that the origin story is sloppy and inconsistent so it's possible the writers were just lazy with their research in this case. Or it's possible we're misinterpreting the information given. So we know from an official source that the Lisa Garland manifested by Alessa in Silent Hill 1 is 23 yrs old. But how do you know definitively that the "real" Lisa that Alessa based her on would have been the same age at that time and thus 16 at the time of Origins? It seems ambiguous and open to interpretation so maybe her page should reflect that? MisterArrogant 07:51, May 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * That's what happens when a series gets shipped from its native homeland to those who have no experience with the series. You're assuming that the Lisa in SH1 is a manifestation of another Lisa, but why? The whole manifestation thing didn't begin until SH2 with Maria. I believe that the Lisa in SH1 is the real Lisa -- she's just trapped in Alchemilla's otherworld. Then there's also the scene with Lisa dragging Kaufmann to hell - it just wouldn't be as meaningful if a manifestation of Lisa did that, instead of Lisa herself who went through 7 years of torture basically.


 * In Origins (PSP version), Lisa's hair is chin length and she states that she's a trainee, so Climax intended her to be younger. Because she's a trainee, she probably hasn't been working at the hospital for more than a month. Origins is also said to take place 7 years earlier, since the fire happened when Alessa was 7 and Alessa in SH1 is 14. I think's there's also the chance that Lisa could be 17 too (if Alessa was on the verge of turning 8 and if she is recently 14 in SH1). I don't see why it's hard to believe she's could be 16. I had a friend who looked exactly like her at 13, plus she displays normal teen tendencies ("I could be a STAHHRRRRRR!" lol) — Alex Shepherd   ツ  11:25, May 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not that I think it's "impossible" that she could be 16/17, it's just there's multiple ways you could interpret what happened in the original game and thus different conclusions you could draw as to how old she might be in Origins. It seems obvious they were trying to make her appear at least somewhat younger. I just don't agree that it's likely she's that young. I think there's several points of evidence that point against it and the only line of evidence that fully supports it is based on a theory of events in the original game that not everyone shares. I think you have to do a lot of explaining away to support that theory whereas the theory that we didn't see the "real" Lisa in SH1 neatly resolves a lot of the apparent discrepancies and makes a lot more sense. At least to me.


 * But everyone is free to believe what they like and to interpret events in the manner of their own choosing. I think that's part of the draw of the Silent Hill series is that rather than spelling everything out the creators have left a lot of things ambiguous for the players to analyze, discuss and come to their own conclusions about. I just don't think it's the place of the wiki to set out one theory or another as the "correct" one when the facts are vague and there's multiple viable scenarios or explanations for the events that transpired. I understand if you believe we saw the "real" Lisa in SH1 you would then have to naturally conclude she was 16/17 in Origins. It's just that not everyone believes that and I think Lisa's wiki page should reflect there's more than one interpretation rather than saying one line of theory is fact when it's really never been established as such by the creative/development teams. MisterArrogant 01:58, May 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree with MisterArrogant. Before even playing Origins, I had expected Lisa to look close to the age she did in SH1. Based upon the interactions with her and her diary, I figure she had become "lost" to the Otherworld within the first year. The lines between life and death, real and not real, are blurry when under the influence of Silent Hill. It's not so much that she's a manifestation from nothing, but that the version of her in the Otherworld is more of a manifestation of her residual essence. Call it a ghost if you like, but I think that term sullies the idea behind it. -- Shoggoth1890 02:34, May 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * People. It's been confirmed she's 16. Get over it :P Also, There's tons of plotholes, as Alex said before, Alessa's eyes were brown in SH1 and blue in Origins; Climax screwed a lot of things up in terms of plotholes. — Jiya na miki  03:49, May 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * Think it's only the age of 23 that's confirmed. This is actually one of the parts that I never considered a plothole -- Shoggoth1890 04:17, May 9, 2011 (UTC)

While you're free to believe Lisa was in fact "real" in SH1, there's a considerable amount of evidence that points against that. The most salient one being the quote I mentioned above from Konami's own producer stating: "Lisa is one of my favorite characters in the series. What interested me about her was that this “damsel” type character turned out to just be another part of the town. At the same time, it was hinted that the “real” Lisa was a troubled individual...I think in Origins, we get to see this darker side and maybe it’s not pleasant for everyone...but that is still something “real” Lisa has to deal with, and maybe she dealt with it by never revealing that side to Alessa. Then again, since this is Silent Hill, maybe Climax saw a “different” Lisa than you did, and maybe I saw a third Lisa when I played the game." The producer came right out there and said the theory they're working off of is that Lisa was just another part of the town. Then he goes on to allude that up until now we haven't seen the "real" Lisa and only Alessa's interpretation of her. Given that the developers of Origins themselves were working off the idea that SH1 Lisa wasn't "real" then it's plausible "Origins Lisa" could be anywhere from 16 to 23. I think it would be more accurate to list her age as "unknown" for Origins in her character box and add a paragraph in the Origins section stating something to the effect of:
 * I haven't seen any official support or confirmation that she's 16 in Origins. Only that the Lisa we saw in SH1 was 23 which we all accept and agree with. The point we diverge on is that not all of us agree that the Lisa we saw in SH1 was the "real" one. If you read the quote from Tomm Hulett on Lisa's character page concerning her character in Origins, he seems to be saying the same thing. MisterArrogant 01:58, May 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * If Lisa in SH1 isn't the real Lisa, then why bother to give fake Lisa an age of 23 when the real Lisa could be 24 or 25? Does the real Lisa not look 23 here or here? I'll go ahead and make her age less certain and more of an estimate, though. I feel like it's just part of a lack of effort on character design and Lisa wasn't given any reference when they created her character model. — Alex Shepherd   ツ  02:52, May 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * While I appreciate your willingess to change the character information listed on her page, I think listing it as "16 - 17" misses the underlying point that if Lisa wasn't real in SH1, the "real" Lisa could be anywhere between 16 and 23 in Origins. And we don't have any hard evidence for anything more specific than that. Everything else is just theory.

"As it's never explicitly stated whether the Lisa we see in SH1 is real or not, it's impossible to accurately determine what her age would be in Origins. If the Lisa we originally saw was real, that would put her age in Origins at 16 or 17. If she wasn't real, then "Origins Lisa" could be anywhere from 16 to 23 as we would have no idea from what point in time the Lisa we saw In SH1 was representative of." MisterArrogant 00:54, May 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * I had forgotten about that quote. Even if one still debates whether or not she was "real" in SH1, this quote seems to confirm that as far as Origins is concerned, she wasn't the real Lisa. Could she still have been 16? Sure, but she could have just as easily been any age between 16 and 23. I support removal of the 16 bit due to reasonable doubt. -- Shoggoth1890 04:24, May 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, since I haven't seen any objections I'll go ahead and alter the page as I mentioned above. MisterArrogant 12:28, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

For a second there I thought you were trying to say 'Pothole' then I looked it up 'plothole' and now I understand what it means. — Cheryl Mason 12  05:03, May 11, 2011 (UTC)

I am adding her age in Origins back. MisterArrogant has only made nine total edits and has not returned to make a single edit on this wiki since he went through this pointless argument and tried to change something that was perfectly fine the way it was, just because it didn't make sense to him. She's 16. She's an LPN, which means she's in training. The Lisa we met in Silent Hill 1 is real. There's no reason to think otherwise. End of story. — LisaGarland ❤  02:35, October 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * So your initial reasoning is that it's kosher to make ninja edits when you think someone's not around anymore? Not cool. It had nothing to do with me not understanding the argument about why she could be 16. I understand that argument perfectly. I think you fail to understand there are other possible explanations. The argument is that it's not clear so it shouldn't be stated as fact unless it's fact. If you can find official documentation saying she's 16 in origins then that settles it. Otherwise you shouldn't be stating your pet theories as incontrovertible truths. That's not being a service to anyone. If you think there's only one explanation for everything in Silent Hill (which I guess is "your's") then I don't really think you understand Silent Hill at all or why they chose to leave a lot of things ambiguous and unexplained.MisterArrogant (talk) 06:32, November 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * You fail to understand how majority rules on this wiki. If more people agree on another idea than yours, then you just have to deal with it. And you barely have any credibility, seeing as how you've made 11 edits, and only 2 or so have been on actual articles other than the ones you keep reverting.


 * Anyway, here's your fact: https://twitter.com/mrsambarlow/status/265547584624533504. We will not be discussing this matter anymore. — LisaGarland ❤  03:11, November 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * If you have new information that clarifies the situation --- that's great. That's a legitimate reason to update a wiki. Changing something because I've been away from the site for a while and attacking my credibility because I don't spend my life updating or editing a Silent Hill wiki is not. I didn't come in here after a year and start a fight attacking you. I don't even know you. You took the initiative there.


 * I made my points on this matter over a year ago. It ended with no one refuting mine and Shoggoth's argument. I made a final post saying if there were no objections I would make the changes. No one further objected. So I made the changes.


 * It's been left that way for over a year and no one had a problem with it. Then you come in saying you're changing it because I haven't been around and haven't made any other edits and you just didn't like it and apparently it's your way or the highway. If you would have initially posted the information from the designer/producer that supported your side of the argument that would have been reasonable. Your initial reasons were not.


 * And blocking me from editing the page seems uncalled for since I wasn't vandalizing the page. This doesn't really seem like professional conduct befitting an admin. I really don't care enough about this to continue fighting over it. I just don't think the way you handled this was very classy. So I'm done here. MisterArrogant (talk) 08:37, November 6, 2012 (UTC)

Cut it out. No one cares. End of story. Lisa is a fictional character from a video game released over a decade ago. Stop the bitterness, with each side provoking the other. All we can do now is drop the stick and back away from the dead horse. Without further ado, this is over. — Alex Shepherd   ツ  10:43, November 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * I never blocked you. Maybe next time you accuse someone of blocking you, you should actually check your log to see who did it. I don't know who blocked you and I don't care, because it was probably for good reason. — LisaGarland ❤  22:20, November 6, 2012 (UTC)

Lisa's status and Fate
I loved Lisa's character she's portrayed as young and kind and beautiful but can someone help me understand her fate.It seems like the Lisa we say in Silent hills 1 was The way she was the way she was to Allessa kind and caring.But is she really dead it seems like everytime we see her she dies or is going to die but people talk about her like her real self is trapped somewhere like silent hills can anyone clarify?

She didnt actually care for Alessa at all she only looked after her because she was addicted to a drug called PTV and Kaufman threatened to cut her off if she didnt look after Alessa and I'd say she is dead Riley Heligo 19:23, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Then why did Alessa hold Lisa so close I mean doesn't that mean she allowed Lisa to escape death by placing her in that I guess Memory body why would Alessa(so dark and cruel) do something kind for someone who didn't really like her or liked her but didn't want to take care of her-LisaGarland101

Because Alessa thought she cared so its assumed she was allowed to keep her appearance but because Alessa was angry at pretty much the entire town I'm thinking it was something of a mirror image I'm thinkin Alessa wanted everyone to suffer but because of Lisa "caring" for her she let Lisa keep her image but still its possible she was still made into a monster but Lisa had no idea until meeting Harry Riley Heligo 21:42, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

"wow but someone needs to tell Heather than she remembered Lisa so nicely in Silent hills 3 and for what a pretty but addicted nurse who only cared about when she had the drug.LisaGarland101

Lisa actually did care for Alessa, even though it was selfish of her caring for Alessa only if she had return of drugs. Lisa was most likely the one who had hid Alessas half of her soul (Cheryl) on a highway to be safe because in the end of origins, Kaufmann and Dahlia can be heard saying the other half is lost but can be found and they will kill the poor thing. That, what Lisa did, was nice.her status and fate? Most likely she is deceased in the otherworld, but Harry seems to hallucinate when he enters or leaves the otherworld. Which most certainly be the reason why Lisa is in the otherworld. Possibly she overdosed in the real or fog world and passed out. Making her wake up in the otherworld. Since Harry and Lisa consider it as a nightmare or a dream, like they are trapped in it. When she mutates, it happens right after Alessa lost her powers, which might mean she lost her protection that Alessa was providing for her because of her care, slowly turning into a puppet nurse which she was her whole life only in the otherworld, but Alessa kept the parasites that turned a person into a puppet from getting to Lisa in both worlds. So when Alessa lost those powers, Lisa was slowly losing her life.Being touched by something Living would give that living thing then rest of humanity. So both Lisas, real world and otherworld, "died". Alessa really appreciated how Lisa hid that soul for her so she kept her alive until she lost her powers. So both girls cared for each other, giving each other something at least a bit appreciative. So Lisa got infected, but Alessa kept her from becoming one. READ THIS IT'S AWESEOME! When Lisa mutates, her left (right to us) bleeds first, and her eye on that side is black. The other side of face bleeds last and has a scrape on it. The right side represents her dying in the otherworld. the left represents the real world, wheee she is getting infected there too, her last death place. Oh and sorry for my English, I'm not a full American, only 50%. sorry!--SHhelper 06:03, July 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * One thing wrong though, Alessa is seen holding baby Cheryl in the Good ending of Origins, so it was Alessa herself, not Lisa. Alessa placed Cheryl on the highway to be found by Harry and Jodie. Still an interesting theory. Also, you don't need to be American to speak English. English is also the language of Australia, England, Canada and New Zealand. You could just say that it's not your first language instead. — Alex Shepherd   ツ  06:29, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

Oh okay then, I always thought it was Lisa that did hide Alessas other soul. And sorry, I say things wrong cause I don't speak English at home, lol. But anyway, I think her status in the real world is deceased, and we really don't know she "died". Her fate was probably most likely what A worker of the team said, drug overdose, so I kinda made a theory after that. I heard she is tormented in the otherworld I believe? I think because she killed a member of the order, Kaufmann. So she must be in torment due to that, so she is alive in the world she's in torment. But even though the book of lost memories states that Lisa is reincarnated into the fukuro lady. That doesnt make sense because she's in Brookhaven, not Alchemilla hospital. Plus this woman doesn't have anything to do with Lisa, says a worker of the team also. But other than that, her soul alive, body deceased, possible manisfestion dead. That's just how I think of it. --SHhelper 07:15, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

Lisa's Status
Why is she listed as Deceased her manifestions are dead but that doesn't mean Alessa doesn't have her in some weird part of the underworld somewhere we never get to meet the real lisa.We've only met a Version of her through Alessa a damaged and abused child and since Lisa showed care for her she took her as a friend and so she's all nice and sweet and then we see a manifestion of her in Shattered Memories who dies kinda of like the first Fake Lisa did.LisaGarland101


 * "her manifestations are dead" ... if she was a manifestation in SH1 that is. Tomm Hulett talked about the "real Lisa" -- perhaps he was talking about the side of her that she never revealed to Harry (about Alessa/PTV/Kaufmann/etc), and not "real" in the "manifestation" sense. I personally believe she is real in SH1. It was Team Silent's intention for her to die and I don't think anyone has to right to rewrite history and change the original meaning. It's best to leave it as deceased because this article is about the Lisa we see in SH1. — Alex Shepherd   ツ  01:47, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

Lisa isn't necessarily "dead" in SH1
Lisa is the same as "them": the Puppet Nurses. So does this mean the Puppet Nurses are dead too? Absolutely not. When Lisa says they're dead, she's referring to the fact that the Puppet Nurses are zombie-ish. They're "dead" to her in the sense that they're not human anymore, not in the sense that they're manifestations -- Lost Memories states that they are humans infected by the parasite.

Lisa was infected with the parasite. It's evidenced in her artwork in the SH1 novel (in which she has humpback) and her eye seems to involuntarily twitch when Harry wakes up. Her death also mirrors parasitic Cybil's who bleeds from every orifice.

If the Puppet Nurses/Puppet Doctors are dead, then Cybil must be "dead" too. However, when Harry uses the red liquid on Cybil, she turns back to normal. It's entirely possible that if Harry used it on the parasitic hospital staff, they'd return to normal too.

Perhaps "dead" isn't the best and most accurate word when referring to Lisa. "Infected" seems to be a better word choice. To say that Lisa is "dead" implies she's a ghost or a manifestation, which isn't a fact. So when referring to a person infected by the parasite, you should never refer to them as dead, but rather "infected" or "possessed". — Alex Shepherd   ツ  11:44, September 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * Maybe you have a point there. One of the questions I've got unanswered since I first played SH1 is how did Lisa die. Did Kaufmann kill her when she told him she quit taking care of Alessa? Did she threatened him because of the drug thing? Was it Dahlia who killed her? Your argument could be an answer.


 * But still, there are two little doubts I have. Can she be infected, or parasitized, for how long... seven years? Because the general impression is that all her memories from the time she took care of Alessa til the very day Henry meets her are erased. She just woke up in the hospital, surrounded by monsters, and with a blank space in her head. Even the Lost Memories talks about her in past time. Well, maybe it does because on the surface Henry "lets her die" in that room when she starts to bleed and all. Or maybe it does because she has always been dead. Like the nurses. The accepted description of these creatures is that they look parasitized because that's how Alessa's mind pictures them, because of her fears: as puppets guided by the cult, or their God. On the other side, we meet Cybil while she's alive. We can see her working, we meet her almost in every location of the town, as well as Kaufmann and Dahlia, while Lisa is only found in the hospital and in the Otherworld, not in the "normal world" (though it barely can be called "normal"). The rest of the characters have a physical presence everytime they appear. So when we meet Cybil possessed in the amusement park we can tell she's still alive, yet infected, like you said, and thus she can be helped. Another thing, possessed Cybil doesn't talk, she walks like she is forced to... while Lisa acts like a normal person.


 * The other doubt I have is: if Lisa is alive when we meet her, even if she's completely alright til she gets infected, or possessed (though her general appearance is not like the rest of puppet nurses/doctors, but ok), don't you think that she would be mad at Henry when she finally gets (by herself) to the truth of her real state and then he lets her die? She finds out she's being controlled by a dark power, she's suffering because of it, she doesn't wanna change at all, and when she finds another human being who could help her, that's it, Henry, he abandons her to die... Well, if she could just for a second come back to life to claim revenge, I highly doubt her objetive would be Kaufmann. Yes, he hurt her. He used her. But he didn't kill her. Harry did. I would blame Dahlia, or even Alessa, for being possessed. And Harry for killing me. But Kaufmann... I'd only blame him if I were living on the past. Or if he were the real and only responsible of my death.


 * My opinion, and it's only that, is that Kaufmann killed her after the discusion we can see at the begining of the game, possibly because she told him he quit. And that, just like Dahlia made Cheryl go to Silent Hill for her own plans (reuniting both parts of Alessa), her daughter brought up Lisa, who was the only one who cared about her, after all, to guide Henry and prevent God's awakening. That's why Lisa can't remember anything, that's why she is not attacked by the rest of the monsters though she has no weapons and looks free to move around the hospital, going to the basement and all, and that's why she takes revenge on Kaufmann. But then again, that's only what I think. I liked what you wrote above. Lisa and Kaufmann are two of my favourite characters, so many things unexplained around them, and it's nice to see what other people think about them.


 * PS, perhaps I'm hard to understand, so sorry for my english, I know how poor it is :(. Lady ligeia 21:50, October 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * Here, I'll try to help you out. Your English is pretty good, no worries.


 * "how did Lisa die"
 * She died during the scene where she transforms into Puppet Lisa and Harry rejects her. She may have then became a part of the town, which is why she reappears all bloody in the ending and kills Kaufmann.


 * "Did Kaufmann kill her when she told him she quit taking care of Alessa?"
 * It seems like a lot of fans believe Kaufmann killed Lisa... I don't know where they're getting this. Kaufmann is a very corrupt and rude person but he's not a murderer. He was just responsible for her demise and insanity.


 * "Did she threatened him because of the drug thing?"
 * Well, it's actually the other way around. Kaufmann blackmailed Lisa with the drugs. He supplied her drugs and in return she nursed Alessa for him and Dahlia.


 * "Can she be infected, or parasitized, for how long... seven years?"
 * It may have happened when she went to check out "the basement". Or perhaps it got her in the very beginning of the game which is why she lost her memory. We're not sure how the parasite works. It's possible Lisa is still allowed to talk due to Alessa's influence over the town, or that Lisa's infection was more gradual and less severe.


 * Harry definitely did not kill Lisa, he just shoved her against the wall in fear. Lisa was just fated to die sadly... — Alex Shepherd   ツ  22:16, October 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your answer, though I still think it doesn't fit the idea of Lisa being alive through the events. And maybe you're right about Kaufmann not killing her. Of course Henry didn't. Since the first time I played SH1 the general impression the "Lisa's death" scene gave to me is that she was taking conscience of her real state, not suffering it in a physical way. The bleeding, there could be a thousand explanations for it; maybe the parasite was the cause of her death (I just believe it was not in that instant but before Henry came to SH), maybe she was murdered (beaten to death of stabbed, for example), maybe she had an overdose (Shattered Memories made me think about it too, and that would be another reason why she dragged Kaufmann to hell), maybe the monsters of the town killed her (once again, before Henry came)...
 * By the way, I know Lisa was being blackmailed by Kaufmann; what I meant to say is that she could have threatened to tell the cops and ruin him. I am a nurse too, and I know how it feels to take care of someone who doesn't get better at all, see that person suffer day after day and being not able to help him/her. If I had to get through it during years (that's it, with the same patient), I would preffer going to jail and screw the doctor than keep doing that miserable job. Again, it's my personal opinion.
 * And yes, she had a sad fate, I agree with you in that. Lady ligeia 09:36, October 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * It is often speculated that:
 * PTV, the drug that Kaufmann hooked Lisa on, hindered the progress of the latter's parasite until she ceased taking it; and
 * PTV is derived from White Claudia, as is Aglaophotis (which allowed Heather Mason to expel a parasite of a different sort).
 * I find it hard to tell exactly how or when she died, but perhaps, depending on the ending (which may reflect how she handled the realization), she was freed from a journey of purgatory and finally catharsis—much like James Sunderland in the "Leave" ending of SH2—between the time Harry left the room and the time he re-entered it. Blue Caper  (talk) 04:17, October 18, 2016 (UTC)

Lisa Garland (film) page not needed?
So I was about to create one after noticing that she was the only Silent Hill film character not to have a page, then I notice that it was "not needed". May I inquire as to why? --Saila Wei 13:44, September 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Quoted from AlessaGillespie: "Her role in the movie is so small that I feel it's best to leave it on the main Lisa Garland page for now. Of course, if she's better explained in Revelations, then the movie character would warrant a page all to herself. But for now, I just don't think there's enough known about her." — Alex Shepherd   ツ  13:55, September 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah, okay then. I was only curious! --Saila Wei 14:06, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

Age, and sexual relationship with Kaufmann
So I know that nobody knows for sure what Lisa's age was. But I just realized something. If she was indeed below 18 when the events of Origins happened, and her sexual relationship with Kaufmann is to be considered... then she would have had sex with an adult when underaged, and that makes Kaufmann a rapist.

Thoughts? — LisaGarland ❤  02:29, October 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * The age of consent in Maine is 16. — Alex Shepherd   ツ  02:35, October 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ahh! That explains it. Still creepy if you think about it though, seeing as how he was 16 and he was 43. — LisaGarland ❤  02:39, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

Lisa not a Puppet Nurse
As a lot of people love the theory that she is a puppet nurse, Ito has dismissed such claims. Ito on twitter Then these claims, as they did in the past fall under speculation and have been disproven. This page and the others subsequently need updating and less opinion pushing of editors.

Xuchil (talk) 15:40, September 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * I do agree with this. Ito does seem to very much be saying that she was never intended to be seen as a Puppet Nurse. I was on the fence about it before, but I think his statements are pretty close to definitive that she died before the game, probably from a drug overdose like in the comic.  AlessaGillespie  Talk   Contributions  16:28, September 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * I remember asking him on Twitter awhile back about Lisa and I remember him saying Lisa died of an OD before    the first game, I think. I have to dig up all the old tweets from awhile back, so it may take a bit for me to find
 * them. I'll try to source them soon. Xuchil (talk) 16:37, September 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * them. I'll try to source them soon. Xuchil (talk) 16:37, September 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ito added "I think", meaning it's not definitive. Keep it ambiguous, imo, and list points for each theory and let the reader decide for themselves. — Alex Shepherd   ツ  21:43, September 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * But on the flip side, he said he didn't draw her that way in Cage of Cradle, which is a prequel comic.
 * Xuchil (talk) 09:32, September 14, 2013 (UTC)

Lisa death
SH wiki: "A misconception is that Michael Kaufmann had murdered her prior to the events of the first game. However, there is no evidence anywhere in the series suggesting this. Masahiro Ito stated that he believed Lisa might have instead died of an overdose caused by drugs that Kaufmann provided.[1][2]"<--- The question isn't *if* she is dead. She is not alive. Especially in SH3 because LM explicitly says/implies her spirit has been tortured in Silent Hill's otherworld for 17 years, why would it say that if she were alive? Why would she just disappear before Harry?

"IMAGE: the video of Lisa Forebodingly, a video image that appears in the first game is inserted during the interval when the hospital undergoes the shift from the right side to the reverse side. 

'''IMAGE: the figure behind the ladder in the hospital Lisa appears along with Valtiel. Could it be that her spirit must continue '''

to endure endless suffering?

Creator's Commentary: Just before the shift to the otherworld in the hospital,

the nurse Lisa who appears in the first game can be seen. The purpose of

<span style="color:rgb(209,182,156);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,sans-serif;line-height:19.600000381469727px;">including this is to show that Alessa's influence on the otherworld grows

<span style="color:rgb(209,182,156);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,sans-serif;line-height:19.600000381469727px;">stronger as she regains her memories. It indicates that even after the first <span style="color:rgb(209,182,156);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,sans-serif;line-height:19.600000381469727px;"> game she continues to suffer in the otherworld. Although a nurse appears in a <span style="color:rgb(209,182,156);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,sans-serif;line-height:19.600000381469727px;">similar fashion in the church as well, this does not have anything to do with <span style="color:rgb(209,182,156);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,sans-serif;line-height:19.600000381469727px;">Lisa.

<span style="color:rgb(209,182,156);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,sans-serif;line-height:19.600000381469727px;">-Masahiro Ito

<span style="color:rgb(209,182,156);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,sans-serif;line-height:19.600000381469727px;">" In addition, another misconception is that the Lisa who Harry meets in Silent Hill is either a manifestation, ghost, not a real person, or has been dead the entire time, whereas there is nothing explicitly stating this." <--- You just contradicted yourselves. First you say she was not murdered, but then you say Ito had said she "might" have died of an OD, her cause of death is questionable and her being dead is not. Therefore, by proxy she would have to be a ghost or manifestation ACCORDING TO THIS LOGIC because there's nothing else she *can be* in Silent Hill. Does this make any sense? I feel like the pasages may have been written by two different people.


 * <span style="color:rgb(209,182,156);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,sans-serif;line-height:19.600000381469727px;">Xuchil (talk) 20:42, January 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * <p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:6px;">


 * We never said Lisa was not murdered. There's just no proof that Lisa WAS really murdered.


 * And yes, Kaufmann provided Lisa the drugs, but whether or not she really died of an overdose, or whether providing someone with drugs means "murder" is debatable. — Alex Shepherd   ツ  22:38, January 8, 2015 (UTC)


 * There's nothing in there stating that I think the murder theory is correct or that I am even arguing it because I am not. There's evidence against it actually. What I said was how she died is vague but the fact that she is dead is not. IN the subsequent passage it says: "

<span style="color:rgb(209,182,156);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,sans-serif;line-height:19.600000381469727px;">In addition, another misconception is that the Lisa who Harry meets in Silent Hill is either a manifestation, ghost, not a real person, or has been dead the entire time, whereas there is nothing explicitly stating this. "

It doesn't *have to* explicitly state this because by proxy she has to be either a ghost or a manifestation or both because by proxy she is *dead* and Lost Memories made it clear that she is not alive.
 * Xuchil (talk) 04:06, January 9, 2015 (UTC)


 * I guess it depends on your definition of what being "dead" is. Lisa's dead in a literal, physical, sense, but whether her spirit/soul is, that's not really known. — Alex Shepherd   ツ  06:09, January 9, 2015 (UTC)

Lisa's Death Theory

Lisa's fate is very hard to explain or to comprehend, but i think i have a theory:

So, Lisa was obviously a high PTV addict, getting supplied the drug in order to keep working with Alessa as a sort of bribe. Aglaophotis, the demon dispeller, is a red substance used to exorcise or repel demons as seen when used on Cybil Bennet to remove her parasite.

Now, both PTV and Aglaophotis require White Claudia to be made. White Claudia is a plant native to the shores and area around Toluca Lake. The theory is that, since Lisa Garland is the ONLY nurse who has not became a puppet nurse (under the guise of the parasite), it could be possible that the white claudia in her veins from taking the PTV has helped temporarily reduce the effects of the parasite in her body. Yes, she may have only had White Claudia in her body as Aglaophotis expels the parasite. Since there is only White Claudia it would make sense that the effects of the parasite would be limited for her time under the influence of it. Furthermore, she states that she woke up and everyone was gone, suggesting she may have ODed or fainted during a high dosage of PTV, which may hint that the WHITE CLAUDIA in her body was keeping the parasite from infecting her fully (suggesting the parasite entered her body when she was KOed.). If this is the case, she would've had a high amount of white claudia in her body for most of SIlentHill 1, meaning that the parasites control over her would've been weakened to an extent, but since it wasn't aglaophotis, not permanently. The blood leaking from her orifices resembles the point when Cybil dies from the parasite after Harry kills her, showing excess blood releasing from all over the face, showing that Lisa must've had a parasite in her body.

This all together, my theory is that at the point of her realising she has this parasite in her back, her white claudia levels finally vanished, leaving her vulnerable. The parasite would've taken a while to infect her, explaining why she cried for help but walked too Harry in a zombie like state. Then she finally lost control, and turned in front of Harry, becoming one of the monsters in Silent Hill.

Yes, this may ruin the 'aww Alessa was helping her' theory's but this is a theory that is most likely a more realistic or in terms of SILENT HILL REALISTICally approachable.

That's just my theory anyways, feel free to question it :)

--Neevopop (talk) 00:38, February 15, 2017 (UTC)Neevopop

Sanguelia as Name Source?
Does anyone have a primary source for this claim? Because it... doesn't seem to add up. Sanguelia is the Japanese name for Zombi 2, and I can't find any actress named Lisa in connection to it, at all.Nezumihime (talk) 10:05, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
 * The source for this is Lost Memories: Silent Hill Chronicle. https://www.silenthillmemories.net/lost_memories/guide/024-025_en.htm Darkknight2149 (talk) 02:50, 11 May 2021 (UTC)