Talk:Cheryl Heather Mason

Needs Editing Fast...
I've noticed some flaws over the article. And already some suggestions here are not implemented. One example is the "Party in the Woods" part. Not all people heard during Harry's journey are about the Masons. Also we're not even sure if Dahlia is the mother of Cheryl.

Harrymason27 13:53, February 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * What about the Party in the Woods part? And Dahlia is definitely Cheryl's mother. What are you talking about? AlexShepherd 14:47, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

Please read the below comments or Edits if you prefer. They say it all. Thanks for noticing though.

Harrymason27 05:12, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * You're still not explaining yourself. Every conversation has either been resolved, or it was only being argued by the local troll who isn't allowed to post here anyway. Could you be more specific as to just what you're talking about?  AlessaGillespie  Talk   Contributions  05:58, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I did my own investigation and I - though embarrassing, admit I jumped the gun to fast. But the Masons still- at least to me is still highly debatable! We need an in-depth discussion of that topic as oppossed as to only relying on a simple Poll.

With regards to the troll. Why not just try and get along. I mean lets be civic here, even if we have the internet and we don't know each other doesnt mean we should bash on.

04:58, March 1, 2010 (UTC)Harrymason27

Silent Hill shattered memories harry and cheryl
Cheryl remembers Harry from the old tapes that she had of their last vacation together, she couldn't face who he really was cause she did not know who he really was (what 7 year old really knows their parents) and so you were controlling what she envisioned her father to be. the end she﻿ is told (harshly) that she has been in a state of delusion and that he was not real, and she had to let go of the past and embrace her life.

Age
When we get some decent images uploaded, I'm going to reogranize this page to reflect Cheryl's current, real age rather than her false dream age. I believe she's 25, so I'll swap the profile picture with one of her when she's older.

Eye and Hair color
Her eyecolor clearly isnt brown... it could be an Amber, Hazel or a Dirty-Green, but not brown... Her eyecolor seems to be the same eyecolor that Heather had in SH3. Her eyecolor is strange...it cant be assigned just to one color...maybe the developers did this so the player could see what he/she wants to see, I think that this is possibly a marketing strategy...so the player can "incorporate" the character better...

Cheryl's hair also seems to be blonde in her shower picture, indicating that she died her hair during her "teen age". I think this is a reference to Heather, who in Silent Hill 3 had a dyed blonde hair (with brown roots)...

maybe you should think / discuss about this ... I dont really know if the message system works like this in here...sorry if I did anything wrong--Loub 23:03, December 16, 2009 (UTC)


 * Her eyes don't appear to have any green in them. They look like a dull brown to me. The most accurate way to define a video game character's eye color is to rip their eye texture, use the eyedrop tool in MS paint, go to Colors and Edit Colors and see where it lies on the color scale. Unfortunately we don't have Cheryl's textures, but a character model should do. Here's Cheryl's model from the one in the gallery:
 * http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/6825/cheryleye.png
 * The colors on the right are taken from her eyes and they're shades of brown so that's why it listed as brown. Sometimes lighting (especially colored lighting), brightness, cables, different TV/Computer monitors can make a character's eyes look different. Also about her hair, you have to remember that picture of her taken in the shower had a camera flash, so her hair would have definitely looked lighter (though you say it looks blonde, I say it looks more light brown than blonde). Also, our brain can percept colors and shades differently to. Here's an example:
 * http://www.saynotocrack.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/checkershadow_illusion.jpg
 * A and B look different shades of grey, but when you actually compare them, they're the exact same! AlexShepherd 10:03, December 20, 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure they're hazel. If you look at her picture in the infobox, her eyes seem to have a green tint to them. In the picture above, They seem to be light brown. Hazel is pretty much light brown to green/grey. Jiyanamiki 01:38, February 25, 2011 (UTC)

Stuff that happened to Cheryl?
Some of the things on the list I can understand being attributed to Cheryl and Harry, but there's a few which I can't help but wonder if it's someone else?


 * Cheryl going to a party in the woods and having something terrible happen to her.
 * Cheryl having a date with a boy at Bryant's Overlook and desperate trying to not have sex with him.
 * Cheryl shoplifting in Toluca Mall.
 * Cheryl murdering a security officer named Malcolm with a knife in Toluca Mall. In the game, the same knife can be found inside a locker.

Are we sure these are all attributed to Cheryl? With the party, a bit later into the woods you can see a jacket and take a picture of a ghost, revealing a dead body was there, I don't think that could've been Cheryl. And the date with the boy, I believe in the lines the boy was saying a different name, not Cheryl. And while the last one I got the impression the shoplifting girl was Cheryl, the text message you get afterwards doesn't seem to indicate it...

Do we have any concrete evidence these are all attributed to Cheryl? I'm not trying to be overly aggressive or anything, just pretty curious. --CloudT 09:56, December 21, 2009 (UTC)


 * I know the first thing can be change depending on the psych profile, but the girl in the photograph looks a lot like Cheryl. I had one where she was given "given a mickey and left out in the cold." Maybe it's just story symbolism or maybe it was her. The Bryant's Overlook thing can be attributed to Cheryl because when you take a photo of the passenger seat, Cheryl is sitting inside it. The last two connected and the girl sitting on the bench (in the movie theater) reveals that Cheryl was the one who killed the officer and you could inference from this that Cheryl was indeed the one who shoplifted. AlexShepherd 22:48, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

Heather Morris and Main Character
Where the hell does it say that Heather Morris voiced her in the game? I am almost sure that it isn't in the game credits, is there any source for this information?

Also,shouldn't Cheryl be listed as the protagonist instead of Harry, because the game plot revolves around CHERYL and not Harry ... and she is also the player character in some parts of the game, similarly , shouldn't Harry be listened as Other Characters instead of Main Characters?--Loub 15:31, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

No, because 1) that's a huge spoiler, and 2) Harry is still the protagonist for most of the game; whether he is "real" or not is interpretive. Gatotsu911 22:51, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

1) That's not a valid argument, I mean, this WHOLE Wikia is FULL of spoilers everywhere (example:see Harry's trivia). 2) Harry is "almost" real , he can interact with real people , like Michelle , Cybil and the house couple (I think this makes him a little more real than Maria), but he is not supposed to "live or have free will, he only exists to help Cheryl stop being delusional (just like Maria) , and after his mission is complete , he can "go back to black". Okay...you are right, but Cheryl is REALLY important to the story ... so I think we should at least introduce Cheryl (and Kauffman) into the "other characters" section... --Loub 17:18, January 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Technically they're both the protagonists. Both of them are main characters that the plot revolves around, both of them cause the plot to move forward through their actions, and both of them are characters that the audience/players are meant to identify with the most. --Omniance 10:03, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

Party in woods
In the biography portion, it says Cheryl goes to a party in the woods and something happens to her. In one instance I've played, the voice in the Echo Message I heard say that her name was Jackie. Should this tidbit be omitted from Cheryl's biography then? - Tocp0003


 * It's referring to the echo of the sleeping bag in the woods, not the telephone outside the ranger station. When you receive take a photo of the sleeping bag, there's a photo of a girl looking pretty identical to Cheryl. Her name is never shown, it just calls her the "new girl". AlexShepherd 08:34, January 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * But both of the messages on the phone have the same headline: Stranded. So, I thought that would mean that they were about the same person? - Tocp0003


 * Although they have the same title, it doesn't necessarily mean that they're the same girl. The girl in the picture looks identical to Cheryl so I'm assuming Jackie is a different girl who was also at the party. AlexShepherd 01:10, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

http://www.silenthillmemories.net/sh_shattered_memories/messages/pics/stranded_2a.jpg http://www.silenthillmemories.net/sh_shattered_memories/messages/pics/stranded_2b.jpg http://www.silenthillmemories.net/sh_shattered_memories/messages/pics/stranded_2c.jpg


 * The girl on the phone is indeed Jackie. like I said, not all of the messages involve Harry or Cheryl.

http://shshatteredmemories.com/echo-messages/ --Socom64 21:45, February 1, 2010 (UTC)

Cheryl's life
We know that the dog incident relates to Cheryl because she's in the photo where she announces that she loves the new dog that her father had bought for her. If you look in the photo, she's playing in front of her Levin street home.

http://www.silenthillmemories.net/sh_shattered_memories/messages/pics/family_pet_2b.jpg

Later, a man and a woman are driving and they hit a dog. Upon seeing the dog, they immediately realize the dog and Harry says "what should I tell her?"

The Alchemilla visit has Harry's and Cheryl's statues in the room. Same voice actors as before. Same thing with gumballs about same ice statues and that's obviously Cheryl's voice.

Day Trippers revolves around Harry, Dahlia and Cheryl going to Lakeside. Same voice actors. Scroll down and when you take the photo of Harry and Cheryl posing, you receive a message where Harry and Cheryl and speaking and Harry's voice is a tone deeper. This means that the whole time, that voice all this time in all messages was in fact Harry and was intended to be Harry. Also, Dahlia's and Harry's statues are in love boats, same voice actors, same Day Trippers category, that was definitely Cheryl who interrupted their ride.

Go here and look at all of them.

AlexShepherd 21:30, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

So how do you explain the difference in Harry's voice? The father that ran over the dog clearly sounds different than Harry. Hell, the father in all of the voice mails sounds different. Not all of the voice mails in the games have anything to do with Cheryl or Harry. Is Harry "Joel Jr"? Is Cheryl "Caitlin"? Is Harry the guy that hit the prostitute? --Bluerock1 16:19, January 31, 2010 (UTC)


 * Harry is not Joel Jr and Cheryl is not Caitlyn. You can tell that the voice is Harry's because when you take the photo of Harry and Cheryl posing as the knight and damsel in distress, you get a message where Cheryl asks Harry why the dragon has to be killed and in it, Harry's voice sounds different. Can you tell me why that is? AlexShepherd 21:52, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

The girl in Bryant Overlook is clearly not Cheryl. Depending on the psych profile, she'll tell her boyfriend that she'll tell her father what he's doing to her. Harry is obviously dead by that time.

Maybe she was lying about her father so that the boy will leave her alone, or maybe she was telling him that she will tell her father so that she can further convince herself that he is alive even when he is dead. Hesham 19:23, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

That makes sense to me. Cheryl created the memory of Harry because she denied that he was actually dead, and her actions throughout her life help strengthen this theory because some of the events that happened to Cheryl (Most of them, anyway) do connect to Harry in some way. If you've paid attention to some of the fights that some non-existant familes had throughout the game, they all connect to Cheryl and her family: Cheryl is the child, while Harry and Dahilla are the child's parents who constantly argue with each other. Cheryl blocked these memories out of her head and made a false image of her father, which portrayed him as her "Knight in Shining Armor", and that he would always protect her. This is only one of the examples that connect Harry to some things that happened to Cheryl, but it does strengthen some parts of the theory as to why Cheryl mentions her father throughout her life. Phoenix the Cat The flames reborn....  21:55, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

Voice
Cheryl sounds like Karen Strassman in the UFO ending. I'm not sure with the other endings or the young version. - The 4th Snake 21:37, March 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * If anyone would mind doing research on it... because we don't know who her voice actor is. — Jiya na miki  21:05, April 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * In Silent Hill Memories it's stated that Heather Morris voices Cheryl, but it's unconfirmed. Yet in Silent Hill Historical Society Kate Higgins is credited AND confirmed. Interestingly (and unsurprisingly) enough, I can't find anything of either one of them confirming or denying that they took up the role of Cheryl. Probably Morris voiced older Cheryl and Higgins voiced kid Cheryl? It kinda sounds like them... Saila Wei 12:53, October 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * Silent Hill Memories source is "Always on my Mind" which is Whitney's site. It then became Silent Hill Historical Society. I'm going to trust Whitney and say she's Kate Higgins. Also, Cheryl just doesn't sound like Heather... her voice is very soft and not really scratchy. I doubt Climax would bring back Heather Morris to voice her 6 years later. — Alex Shepherd   ツ  13:32, October 1, 2011 (UTC)

Interestingly, Historical Society thanks Silent Hill: Lost Memories for the confirmations... but Lost Memories lists Heather Morris as the va. Until someone contacts Kate or Heather personally (which likely won't happen with Heather since Jeremy Blaustein blew up at one of her fans and said she had specifically told him she did not want any images or videos of herself on the net, nor did she want any fans to contact her), the va is unconfirmed.  AlessaGillespie  Talk   Contributions  00:11, November 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's definitely not Heather Morris since Konami can't contact her for the HD collection, nor does it sound like her. Take another look at Whitney's site again, and you'll see that she's thanking Lost Memories for the "Game Credits", not the "Voice Cast". Whitney is very trustworthy so my bet is on Kate Higgins. — Alex Shepherd   ツ  00:40, November 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * The claim that Heather Morris couldn't be contacted is just another of Guy Cihi's lies. She was contacted, as confirmed by Jeremy Blaustein, and she wants nothing more to do with the series. I see no official confirmation anywhere, so I've sent an email to Kate Higgins through her official site. We'll see what she has to say.  AlessaGillespie  Talk   Contributions  00:53, November 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * That's good. My trust is in Whitney and Kate Higgins, though, since her site actually says she received official confirmation from her. Do you know where I can read about Heather Morris and Jeremy Blaustein? This is news to me~ — Alex Shepherd   ツ 


 * I've never heard anything about where Whitney got her confirmation. While I trust her, there's always a possibility the source is a bad one, which means it needs official confirmation. Here's the thread where someone posted a screenshot of Jeremy Blaustein ripping the crap out of a fan who made the "Where is Heather Morris?" video on youtube. It's brutal.  AlessaGillespie  Talk   Contributions  01:12, November 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * http://www.behindthevoiceactors.com/characters/Silent-Hill/Heather-Mason/
 * Ah, okays. I'm just very disappointed that Heather wants to stay private... also, I contacted Kate before and she said she was Michelle (on Michelle's talk) but I didn't ask about Cheryl because at the time, other people around the internet were claiming she was Heather Morris. — Alex Shepherd   ツ  01:24, November 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * I know this is old, but see

and see both Heathers SM and SH 3 voices. If you think about voice actors, it very well could be Heather Morris DID voice heather in SH SM. Look at laura baily for example. She is able to do voices for little girls, old woman, teenagers, all of that. All Heather Morris needed to do, is simply do a higher pitched voice. I can hear the resemblance and i truely believe SH SM Cheryl was voiced by Heather. The Real Shinichi Kudo (talk) 04:24, August 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * If Heather Morris did, then she likely would've said so in the interview she did with The Gaming Liberty. I'm still going with Kate Higgins. — Alex Shepherd   ツ  05:54, August 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * As Alex said, also Heather makes mention she's been focusing on her family for the past few years. Also...using Laura Bailey...not the best idea, she's a professionally trained voice actress so she's going to be more capable than Heather. TPShadowDragon Born into flame!  12:34, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

Editing premission needed
Shouldn't we do some updating? some conclusions had been made.

For instance:

All girls in voicemails and pictures looks and sounds identical to Cheryl. but they are either anonymous or only given a first name, and the more embarrasing ones constantly appear near frozen nightmare scenes. This can be percieved as Cheryl faking/blurring her memory to stop Harry from finding who she is.

She could have subconsciously changed the memories to hide the truth from herself, or to help herself forget. People tend to block out or subconsciously deny events that are too much for them to handle, yes? It could also be borderline personality disorder in the making. Waverer 08:07, November 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * The article already states that the experiences are implied to be Cheryl's. I don't get that last part... just because her name isn't mentioned in any of the voicemails, it means she's specifically blocking them out? Cheryl is unaware of Harry's manifestation existing (hence her mouthdrop/"holy crap..." look when she sees him), so why would she do that? You mean subconsciously? 02:50, August 1, 2010 (UTC)

Cheryl and Heather
It should be noted that Cheryl's middle name comes from Heather, the protagonist from Silent Hill 3. I also think Cheryl looks a lot like Heather, but it could just be me. "Gee who would've thought she'd look like herself no I'm just kidding that was mean but yeah she does a more serious less playful version of Heather.LisaGarland101

These may go without saying and might not be important enough to add to the article, but I felt it was worth mentioning. Waverer 08:02, November 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Where does it say her middle name? Just curious. — Jiya na miki  21:05, April 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * Even if it doesn't list her middle name anywhere in-game (I can't confirm if it does or not), I would be comfortable leaving the article name (and character name) as-is to differentiate it from Cheryl Mason or "Heather" Mason. Less possible confusion for new wiki-goers. Mr. Gillespie 11:05, June 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * It shows Cheryl's full name, Cheryl Heather Mason when you access her account on the computer's screen while in Midwitch High. WhiteClaudia 04:43, September 21, 2011 (UTC)

Cheryl as the protagonist
So, are we basing this idea on Harry's 'death' at the end of the game? Cheryl being Kaufmann's unseen patient? Both? Something else? SteveZombie 16:11, June 23, 2011 (UTC)

I can understand Harry being a protagonist but I would say Cheryl is in term the true one as it has been widely accepted and most actions are based from the choices at the beginning so in a way made by Cheryl Riley Heligo 16:13, June 23, 2011 (UTC)

While Cheryl is unknowingly indirectly responsible for the manifestation of the Raw Shocks and Harry himself, I don't think it can be said that she is indeed the main character in the narrative of the game. We need to remember that regardless of who is the most story-important character or who is responsible for all subsequent events, as far as Shattered Memories is concerned, Harry is the main character as the plot centres around him and his goal of finding Cheryl. SteveZombie 16:31, June 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * They're both protagonists. If you look up the definition up a 'false' protagonist, Harry fits the definition because the player believes that they're controlling Harry in the sessions, but it's actually Cheryl. Also, Harry isn't really "Harry". Harry is dead. The Harry you've been is a phantom of Cheryl's mind. So when playing as Harry, you're also controlling a part of Cheryl in a way. Harry is still a protagonist, he's just a false protagonist. I think the verdict is that Cheryl and "Harry" are both protagonists. — Alex Shepherd   ツ  18:28, June 23, 2011 (UTC)

Cheryl's academic status
I've recently replayed Shattered Memories on my PSP and noticed that Cheryl's school record put her academic status as "excluded" meaning she never graduated. I'll note it.  HeatherMorris6806  22:16, April 22, 2012 (UTC)