Talk:Monocle Man

Aristocrat=Napier?
What if the Aristocrat is a manifestation of Napier? You know, that fat guy that Murphy kills? ScorpionTail 03:18, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

hmmmmmmmmmm.... it is possible. it is the only explanation as yet. but something tells me not. -- Murphy Pendleton  :D  05:06, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

mmmmmmmm i dont think so, Murphy holds desires of revenge towards Napier, but now that i think about it, maybe he did not actually kill him, only injured him badly, giving the aristocrat its wheelchair appearence, and that is why Murphy is so scared of him.Aquilus758 13:29, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

Wheelchair Dude

So now that we know that the wheelchair monster was in fact Frank Coleridge, could it be renamed in some way? The aristocrat seem a little out of place, maybe a name like the Warden sound more appropiate. And also, since ive only seen walktroughs, is the giant face the same creature/manifestation that the wheelchair dude? It would be worth it to make a distinctionAquilus758 22:15, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

Can someone explain to me why you think "The Aristocrat" is Frank? I can see how it would be possible, but it only gives one line in the entire game, and looks nothing like Frank's monster counterpart. The only thing i can think of that could connect the two is that the Wheelman barely has a face, so the Aristocrat could be the face its missing (because Frank's face was beaten beyond recognition?), but that still seems like a stretch. For all we know it could be Sewell's monster equivalent. Sewell was much more antagonistic to Murphy than Frank, and if anyone was trying to impede Murphy's progress (at the very least on a psychological level) it was Sewell, who tempted him to murder an innocent man. Ideas, anyone? (Also, I HIGHLY doubt that the Aristocrat represents prison gang leaders, since he plays a small, but crucial part and gang leaders aren't even referenced once in the context of the game.) Carousel123 11:29 March 15, 2012

Nor is solitary confinement, yet look at the Weeping Bats. ScorpionTail 06:35, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

It just seems unlikely, but to each his own -- Carousel123 12:52, March 12, 2012

"Solitude" and "confinement" are not the same as "solitary confinement". I agree that the gang leader thing seems a bit silly. -- Shoggoth1890 22:05, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

boss?
Can anyone tell me if the Aristocrat is a boss in the final game?

My internet isnt very good, so i can´t watch videos, and as far as i know, he only appears as a part of the evironment of the Devil's Pit Rollercoaster section, saying his trailer phrase.

It worries me, i wanted to fight the aristocrat, not just seeing him.

So, does he appears after the rollercoaster goes down? ... is he a boss later in the game?

was he replaced as the final boss with that other giant monster?

thank you. Bigsister 22:51, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

Well the final boss represents Frank, so you could say that the aristocrat IS the final boss of the game, he is physically different from past encounters by the way.Aquilus758 23:04, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

But...im confused: Do you fight the aristocrat in his "monocle" form (as we see him in the gamestop canada trailer) in the game? ... or do you just fight with him as Frank's manifestation? ... in fact, how many bosses are in downpour?. Bigsister 23:09, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

As far as i know, its the only boss in the game, and you fight a manifestation of Frank, and the aristocrat seems to be another manifestation of Frank, so you would be fighting the aristocrat in that way.Aquilus758 23:13, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, OK...so, the only bosses in there are the Bogeyman, Frank and that super spoiler at the end? ....too bad i didnt get to fight the Aristocrat in his Monocle incarnation...well, at least i can euthanize him at the ending... THANK YOU VERY MUCH :). Bigsister 23:18, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

Fanwank: Aristrocrat=Sewell.
There's really no basis for this, but what if the Aristocrat (or Warden, if you must) was a representation of Sewell, an how the bastard was a corrupt little twat to Murphy; manipulative and quite talkative.

Just a thought. Aseverenickllanescomplex 12:55, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

Name
Is the Aristocrat its official name or is it a fan name?

Not an official name

Botista.agung 23:40, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

JP
hi.

Maybe this isnt important...maybe it is, i dont know, but i found something that could give a hint to its symbolism:

This page (which contains nearly all of the character models of downpour, along with their respective names) has something interesting to point out: http://silent-hill-downpour.tumblr.com/post/19939580057/silent-hill-downpour-jp-boss-original-bones#notes

If you see, the image says "silent hill downpour jp boss original bones"

Does this means anything? Maybe he is the manifestation of JP's thoughts, or Murphy's about the child accident in the devil's pit. As he was VERY LIKELY going to be the boss after the train ride, and he was going to attack murphy, would that represent the damage that JP caused to the children in the same ride?

Thanks. Bigsister 21:37, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

YAY!!! My thoeur was partially right! thanks to the one that posted the JP thing in the main article! Thanks! Bigsister 21:15, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

It says that in the early footage of downpour, ARISTOCRAT is one of a boss..... so where's the video??

Botista.agung 23:38, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga6AmvS_L_0 - here, watch 0:55 till the end of the video, you can clearly see aristocrat attacking murphy at the end. Bigsister 15:50, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

Actual Name?
I was reading Napier's page and it mentioned Tomm Hullet sayin Napier was killed by Murphy in all endings except A, I was reading Hullet's post and he mentioned Monacle Man should this be taken into thought of the Aristocrats actual name? http://silenthillcommunity.com/viewtopic.php?f=3304&t=433382&p=7579805#p7579805 — Riley Heligo  10:06, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Poor Tomm he mispeled "monocle" monacle -,- .But i think its the real name.... Botista.agung 14:25, April 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, if a producer calls him "Monocle Man" then I think he should be officially called "Monocle Man". Maxime Bellend 10:18, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

Changed. If Tomm Hullett says his name, I believe that's his name. I've added in the page that the name was given by Tomm Hullett, just in case there's a stupid chance that it's still not the 'official' name, but gives people the option to change it if they are fine with it. Mechanoise 14:41, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

So sad... i think Aristocrat is a better name... well... nothing to do XD Arti at the speed of light! 01:18, May 12, 2012 (UTC)