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That blurb is right next to paragraph that begins with "In the Good+ ending". Yes, in the GOOD+ ENDING, what Harry and Cybil do after escaping the town is unknown. That doesn't necessarily apply to the other endings.

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"The orthodox ending which is connected to the third game."

Nuff said.

And no, we aren't Cybil haters or anything. I fucking love Cybil, she's one of my favorite characters in the series, but I can't deny that she is canonically dead.

Creator's commentary: "what happens to cybil afterwards is left to player's imaginations" on that very page. THe book just seems to contradict itself really. Good or + are possible.

Edit: I understand now that he was only saying that what happened to cybil after the good+ ending is up to player imagination, my bad.

I still stand by my belief on SH2 not having a canon ending however due to none of the writers ascertaining that any one ending is canon.

Ito was a high-ranking member of the team who created the games, and needed to know the story in full to create meaningful contributions. It is completely ridiculous to act as though the writers kept important aspects of the story to themselves, presumably while rubbing their hands together and giggling maniacally. There is no reason whatsoever to assume he doesn't know what he's talking about, and again, it's highly disrespectful to him to insist he may be ignorant of the story in a game series he helped create.

"Ice cream is good" is so not even kind of the same thing as "I remember Cybil is dead". Tastes in food are subjective - everyone in the history of ever understands that, which is why it's common to not add "in my opinion" or something similar to the end of such statements. On the other hand, whether or not a game character is dead is not personal opinion, especially when someone is clearly asking what her factual status is. There is not one drop of evidence that Ito was stating an opinion, and I'm seriously amazed that anyone could even read that tweet and reach such a conclusion.

^ I actually agreed that Cybil died with my last comment. I still disagree with the whole thing about Ito providing proof on the matter as he is till just artist and is not story writer, and if he was important to the story he'd be listed as such. Jeez, I'm not disrespecting the guy, I think he's awesome. The series I felt was dealt a punch when Ito and indeed when the Team was lost at least from what I can see from playing 1/3 of Origins, as the Butcher's appearence to me seems shallow and uninspired compared to SH2's pyramid head by Ito. And please don't make the presumption that I think all the writers are just a bunch of dr.evils who sit in a room and rub their hands together maniacally, all I'm saying is that if Ito is never listed as writer and his role was monster design I don't think he ever was writer. Moreover, the whole "I remember" comment could have been him just hearing so many times from fans or whatnot that she died and therefore that's what he thinks is the canon. But I do agree now that she died from the book saying that's the orthodox ending.

I still think the whole matter being decided from the basis of the book saying what ending was right though. Good or Good+ could have been possible as SH3 and newer games make no distinct indication of her having died but it was only when the book says she her living was not right which did not make it right with me. When I accept a character dying I like to see game proof of their demise to make the canon make sense. I know that while it's possible for Shepard to die at the end of Mass Effect 2 that it isn't canon as otherwise Mass Effect 3 couldn't take place. Furthermore, if one of the actual writers had stated that she indeed died and Good was canon, I'd be happy with that. Or even if when you find Harry's entries in SH3 which made an indication of her dying, like maybe Harry is reflecting in his guilt of having to kill her I would have accepted as it's game evidence which provides emotional meaning and clarity as opposed to a game guide just simply stating what ending was canon. Do I know she died as canon? Yes, I do now (as I misinterpreted Owaku's comment in the book). Do I accept her death as having a good enough explanation? No.

Reading this reminds me why I left this page. AlessaGillespie and AlexShepherd working together constantly to undermine anyone who disagrees with their personal point of view. Ironic that you say you can't "pick and choose" what you want to hear and yet here's you doing exactly that.

Right here in this conversation are quotes from Owaku AND Toyama changing their minds about the solid ending, and adding Ito into it makes it even less clear. Especially with Japanese developers, they don't have the same "auteur" quality that makes them perfect experts on their own worlds, and it's perfectly possible (and indeed likely) that while they may have their own favourite endings they don't expect everyone to be beholden to them. This is just two fans arguing with another fan but expecting their opinion to be better somehow. I wish I could inject some humility into every Silent Hill fan who thinks their opinion is best and "more supported" by the developers.

Left what? This "page"? This is your first reply in this page to begin with.

And please don't be so judgmental, I'm (or anyone else) aren't "expecting our opinion to be better".

Good is the canon ending. Toyama wasn't involved with SH2/SH3, or anything after SH1. Also, Owaku is NOT changing his mind about anything.

If you've been around this site before, then you should know that personal attacks are not allowed. If you want to discuss the subject, then feel free to do so, but your entire post was just bashing Alex and I. The Good ending is canon, as stated by official materials. You can like whatever ending you want (as can the devs), but it's been officially stated that SH3 was based on the Good ending.

Whoa there people. I just wanted to know your opinions, didn't want to start a war of some sorts. I haven't checked this thread for months and when I come back you argue. Easy, peace & love. Thanks for all the contribution, it's either the Good or Good+ because Harry needs to live, so I guess we may say that all three devs were saying simply which of the endings they liked.

I know my reply to this post comes way too late... but looking at this whole discussion reminds me that SH probabily has one of the most divided fan base in the gaming series scene. Folks it's an ending that really doesn't change anything about what we know about the series, it doesn't matter if Cibyl dies or lives... the story carries on with Harry and Heather.

In my view I never felt the need to chose one of the endings, very much like in SH2, it's not the ending that matters it's the journey to it.

Another thing, and it's one thing that I have said to Alessa and AlexShepperd before and that I think it's really wrong in this wikia, is the way you two act. In this particular subject I have exactly the same opinnion as you guys, but you two are admin, you guys shouldn't intervene the way you do, often gang up against someone.

Like I said, in this particular subject you guys are right, there are possible endings but the devs while making the story may have done so with a particular ending in mind but that doesn't make it right for you guys to jump on top of someone, let the other members of the wikia do the against-arguments and take a more "moderator like" role in it. You guys are obviously free to state your opinions, but not the way you often do...

If you keep that up you guys will discourage people from discussing more interesting (often polemic, or less clear aspects) subjects of the game and the result will be more goofy discussion subjects like: "what´s your favorite monster?!" or "If your were a turist in slent hill where would you go?!" It's either that or you'll have less and less activity in this wikia to a point where it becomes stale. Please don't get offended by this, see it as a suggestion.