We should upgrade the infoboxes on the wiki to the new Portable Infoboxes. I've been working with the CSS system currently in place and it's a bit finicky with some limitations. The only real downside is that they're not nearly as customizable. Let me know what you think :)
Look I swear I saw Jodelle Ferland was shown in the photo from the movie silent hill revelation and I already check the full movie revelation and the first silent hill movie trailer to check the differance of the Da Silva family photo between Jodelle Ferland and Erin Pitt of there faces and is not the same from the youtube i saw, because the photo of the Da Silva family is taken from the film making of the first silent hill movie is for using the same family photo of the Da Silva from from the first movie to add the sequel revelation samething for the same costumes of young Sharon clothe set, midwich school uniforms, and brethern coal mining gears ( well least of their coal miner masks and protective suits from the first film is shown in the sequel revelation because the brethern coal mining gear is changed for to set up the film making of the second sequel) from the first movie to add the second sequel as well and you can look again the both the first and second movies from youtube for did you see it or not.
Yes I know that for i meant Jodelle Ferland featured only in the photo from beginning of the film where Chris is talking the photo of his lost wife Rose along with himself and their adopted daughter Sharon when she was young for he missed her so much after his daughter Sharon is on the way to her first day of high school and of course Jodelle Ferland is not reappearing role in the second sequel, I know the second actress is Erin Pitt played as young Sharon with her lost adopted mother Rose in photos from the movie revelation. Where Sharon is taking a look of her adopted father Chris wooden box had the order of valtiel sign in it and contained all of his collected information, history, record, and research of the ghost town Silent Hill, the fanatical cult the order of valtiel, and Alessa after Vincent looking the photo of both her when she was young and her adopted mother for she is already opened wooden box after her adopted father was abducted by the member of the cult and saw the message on the wall was written in blood by the use of two cut off fingers belonged to the P.I. ( private investigator) was murdered by the cult for he is going to helped and warned Sharon for they are here after her because he was hired by them and he didn't know who called him to searching for her and the blood written message on the wall said come to Slient Hill with the cult sign in it before Vincent arrive her home for he is begin to opened the door is already locked and knocking it for she is frightened and mistaken for her father abducter and later is actually Vincent for revealing himself to her because he had heard her yelling so much for what is something went wrong, she want his help to looking for her missing father and she show him the message on the wall written by blood had really scare him.
Yes I know that ok for i guess sort of and look I already checked and observed the difference between the family photo from both the first movie and sequel Revelation from youtube ok and there for me I need peace and quiet, you think is Erin Pitt in the family photo from Revelation, but I think is Jodelle Ferland in the family photo from the second sequel for the new director of second movie Revelation is using the same family photo from the first movie to add the second sequel for I guess is to save a lot of money for the making of film Revelation and remember the event of what the first movie, the new director want to choose a different and right actress to play older Sharon under alias Heather Mason for to look like the resemblance of the game counterpart samething for Carrie-Anne Moss (Trinity from the Matrix, Pompeii, and the Lawyer from the Netflix Marvel tv show The Iron First) to played as Claudia Wolf for to resemble like the game counterpart, just like Angelina Jolie to played as Lara Croft from the movie Tomb Raider is actually based from the game like Silent movie is also based on the game as well for she look like and sound like Lara Croft. Why the new director who make the second sequel Revelation because the writer of the first silent hill movie had a 1 year jailed sentenced for he had committed manslaughtered from a car accident and he is already released from imprisonment.
It is definitely Erin Pitt in the photo. There's no doubt about it. The manslaughter charges had absolutely nothing to do with why the sequel was handed to someone else. What happened was that writer/director Christophe Gans was too busy to return, and writer Roger Avary refused to return without him, so they had to find someone else.
I already know that and I already had read the development of the movie Revelation from Silent Hill.wikia and I already checked and observed the difference between the photo from the first movie and Revelation of their faces from the youtube I saw and it is not the same of their faces between Jodelle Ferland and Erin Pitt, for me I need peace and quiet ok there that's enough for now, you just want to think about it was Erin Pitt in the photo from the sequel Revelation, I wondering if the movie Silent hill had a third sequel take after the event of Revelation where Chris is looking for his lost wife Rose had been stuck in the fog world for so long and is already been years ago, his daughter Sharon wanting her mother with him together and he want her to leave Silent hill for good along with Vincent as a promise that he will be reunited to her for after finding her mother also he want Vincent to look after and taking of his daughter to him for he is going back to the fog world to find his missing wife somewhere, don't forget remember a lot of police cars along with the prison bus is heading to the ghost town Silent hill after Sharon and Vincent hitchhike a ride with a trucker named Travis Grady to leave Silent hill far away for good as they want to see that terrible place ever again, the law enforcement heading to Silent Hill for maybe they looking for Sharon as a suspect of the murdered incident for she is falsely accused and didn't committed because the blasted dawned cult persecuting her alomg her father for they are responsible for the P.I. death by their leader Claudia Wolf Vincent mother in her monstrous form the missionary as well the cops heading to her home and arrest her for she is already left now and they found the blood written message on the wall said come to Silent Hill for I guess the cop knew that she is heading to Silent Hill after they are looking for the place called Silent Hill from the web and also found out that Silent Hill is already a ghost town and abandoned from the 70's great fire incident plus the coal mine still burning cause a very toxic fume for everyone had survived from the fire to leaved and relocated for that why a lot of cops heading to Silent Hill, as for Sharon and Vincent to be appear in the third sequel for what happen of those two as fugitives wanted by the local authority of the murdered case.
I turned off and on street lamposts with my thoughts
trafic lights dont work anymore in my town from time to time or at least it happened before *for real* *not cosplay* (i have video proof of everything) i threw a glass with my thoughts and maybe caused a explosion of a glass in a bar and a burning hot door knob
i am getting messed up as if an experience of dieng
too much negative energy near infinite at seaside i just wanted to read in peace a reboot video game magazine on a video game with a emotional experience of a journey and a pet fox or 3 pets called rhyme
and extremelly negative imagery started eating me or other
we met in 2009 Black Energy for hair i felt beyond infinite compassion for this being (God) which is you if you arent cosplaying on wiki
God* is 2 soul mates material universe as ying yang carry memories of each other and their lives and each lived the lives of the other as their own out of compassion
are never alone,but allways one*never alone*
i experienced infinite agony in 2005 as a child,i was 13 in 2009 really really needed to reach her that being in 2005
and now i am getting more messed up,Josip Šipek is my name given to me by my *freak* *fake* "family" they are sick deeply and beyond
toxic information between the lines ___________________________________
for this being i met and felt beyond infinite compassion for my "biological brother" was a bit jerkedup and had the guts to say she will be mutilated with his thoughts showing me videos of peoples fingers falling off from diabetes and now fucking a girl named nina to piss me off on purpose because they are clowns and freaks for the grinding machine like a chicken mcnuget only tossed there alive with great care to not cause leperousy and diarhea to the very material in front of them filip celčić is the name said it would fuck that person i met in 2009 in the pussy while superfreaks tossed condoms filled with their lepper decayed sperm at my church right around the time i met her thinking they are cool,while if i even dared describe God or my 2009 i would be called a cocaine snorter,a molested litle retard,a molester or a asylum case,joke and an abortion my entire fucking posefamily is those freaks
the janitor,colin was another alucard sultan evil doer your silent hill you carried purple i carrying thoughts of Alucard or thinking of that as my past life didnt feel hate towards that character and forgiven through God consciouisness
the janitor was carrying the hate from past life of himself as that child sultan abused him you dont have to listen to this part if it causes you distress or anything
i am only seeking to come to you as i was seeking you my entire life from the event in 2009 as we exist as countless and many selves
to me the event in 2009 was the greatest thing that ever happened to me and my greatest wish then was to kneel before her as my soul mate from feelings of beyond endless and beyond infinite compassion *wish come true* and a *dream come true*
i if i think of seperation or anything as such from this being experience death and dying as well as depression only able to get worse and worse
plus i constantly hear negative comments on myself from a messed up aura maybe being insulted called crazy and other from hate i feel from toxic information i placed here between lines for a purpose of showing how much infinite rage can come from those
but as i was explaining please reach me back on this my facebook is Josip Šipek and my email is AngelusDivinitatis@gmaill.com
this is very serious as i am lossing sleap and may die or end up in a coma i feel rage and the hate i described and only help i could ever use to get out of this or any way to get out of this is to go back to 2009 the one i found then
airport in my town 2009, opened buss line 290 2-9-0 matrix to the airport the universe is projection of thought of the higher being contact me on what i wrote first on AngelusDivinitatis@gmail.com or my facebook Josip Šipek i burned the seaside fire visible from space nasa it came in news i have the report i constantly manifest reallity and have no control over it
I will likely be out of the hospital tomorrow barring they can't get the pain and inflammation under control. If not, then I'll have to stay here until the infection is completely gone. I had to beg for them to give me that concession. So fingers crossed that I can take the oral antibiotic without getting sick. If I can't. i'm still here.
Bearing in mind the difference in time zones and responsibilities, I think the best time to do it would be on the weekend.
Personally I work all week and have shit to do after work, so Monday-Friday wouldn't be ideal for me.
Also, Alex has said he would like the discussion to take place via skype, so that nothing is "lost in translation," however I think the wiki chat is as good a place as any.
The weekend would work great for everyone I think, I know Riley said he could do it if it worked around his schedule. I will ask him what that looks like.
Not everyone has skype though, and I'm not going to force anyone to get skype for this sort of thing. I think the wiki chat should be okay. I don't see how anything can be transparent in Skype that wouldn't be in the chat.
Text often fails to convey the subtle tonal inflections that are inherent to verbal communication, which I'm pretty sure is what Alex meant by lost in translation.
10:30, huh? I work Saturday till 3, so if that's the case it'd have to be on Sunday. And I'd have to wake up early :(
I remember when I spoke to Alex on skype shortly after the incidents that got him banned from the Wiki - To be honest the way he conveyed his message in direct conversation made a lot more sense than how it was percieved in text. I agree with Alex and what Kaleb mentions that this is something better done on some form of voice comms - skype being the obvious options.
Honestly i'm in line with Rob and Kaleb. Maybe you'll just have to type Ari while the rest of us talk on mic. Saying that though i am not opposed to doing it on the wiki chat to better cater to everyone.
Okay, so the weekend is almost upon us, I think we should agree on a time and place now.
I know you have reservations about using Skype Ari, maybe you could borrow a mic or headset from a friend? I just think that we could all bring our thoughts to the table (so to speak) in a much clearer way if we were to communicate vocally.
Don't worry about your kids, I have little brothers who I'm sure are waaaay louder than your children. At the worst, like Jess suggested, you could use the text chat whilst we voice chat. I know it isn't ideal, but I do think it is the best way to avoid any interpretative misunderstandings.
I don't know if this happened, and I am sorry I did not respond, I am back in the hospital again and dealing with a lot at the moment. If you guys would like to conduct this without me, please feel free to do so.
I am not entirely sure what are you guys talking about but here is a friendly reminder from me: "Your health and wellbeing comes first". Don't push yourself too far. You guys can probably postpone this "Skype-conversation-thingy" without any problems. And if you try to make a decision while you are not fully recovered you might end up making the wrong choices!
Hope you feel better "Enjoyableari". You probably need some Health Drinks, First Aids or Ampoules right now :)
I think Alessa's retconned appearance in Origins is noteworthy, since they clearly weren't looking at her SH1 game model for reference.
And yes, sometimes the nationality and appearance of the developers do influence their work. Alyssa Hamilton has been called the most Japanese-looking white girl, and while Tidus in-game model looks rather white, his cutscene model looks, well, Asian. Something similar happened to Alessa in SH1, since she was modeled by a Japanese developer (Sato).
I also think that the Origins retcons section should be kept, since many aspects of Origins clearly contradict SH1.
You're right that Alessa's eyes do look dark in SH1 (though I personally think that's entirely because she's always in very dark lighting). That said, her eyes in the menu screen for the Play Novel are either a very light brown, or blue. They're definitely not the same dark color as seen in the first game. Origins has them as being very blue. To that end, I've edited Coolguy's trivia point to mention that the three games seem to depict three different colors. Alessa's hair is brown in every single appearance, and I think it's silly to nitpick the shade. I definitely don't believe that brown hair and brown eyes can be definitively correlated with being Japanese.
As for the addition of a street in Origins, I hardly think that one point deserves its own section. If anything, it's worthy of a trivia point. Honestly, that whole section came off to me as whiney, like something written by a hardcore fan looking for every little perceived difference they could find and meticulously documenting it.
The photo Alex showed depicts Alessa with black eyes (in my opinion)or at the very least dark brown. Also I must have missed the fact that Alessa's eyes are blue in the main menu of the play novel. But the eyes color was changed to blue in Origins so I thought it was Noteworthy. I highly doubt that her eye color texture would be different on different consoles (I recently finished SH:O on PS2).
I agree, although eye and hair color is a particularly strong racial genetic trait, having a certain hair/eye color doesn't inherently make you a certain race.
I have brown eyes myself, and in the right lighting I've been told they can look almost black, so perhaps you are right in saying it is simply a matter of in game lighting. I haven't read the play novel, however I think that in terms of canonicity the main games take precedent over all other material, and so the ret-con of Alessa's eye color in Origins is indeed noteworthy.
And... yeah, I can't argue that the ret-con section was... well documented. A trivia point would work fine.
It's the first of two pics Murphy posted. If you look at the black in her pupils, you can see that the color around them is much lighter (though the image itself makes it look darker because the whole thing is tinted in brown).
There is no online translation, since I translated that part myself. I'll have to take a picture of the script page that states they're sisters when I have time. It is most definitely canonical fact outright confirmed in two sources, and mentioned in a third source (the behind the scenes).
Those script images you posted are definitely interesting, but I'm not sure if we can use it a definite proof, just strong evidence.
After all, it's not the final version of the script, and the original drafts and scripts aren't always canon to the finalized film, of course.
Still, I think it'd be interesting if you could upload that entire script since it seems rare and I've never seen it before.
What are you referring to with the "behind the scenes"? If you mean the painting and the eye color thing in the "making of", then that's not enough, but if it's something absolutely proven (perhaps in the Metropolitan version), then it could work.
You have the script and the novel both specifically calling them sisters, the set designer confirming that they are biologically related, Christabella calling Dahlia 'sister' and Alessa calling Christabella 'family' in the movie itself, besides the obvious physical resemblance in hair and eye color. They are definitely canonically sisters.
Yes, that is the same script as the page you linked. I don't have a lot of time (or a totally reliable scanner), but I'll see what I can do about scanning it all in the coming weeks. :)
True, but like I said before, scripts aren't always representative of the final intention. Christabella, for example, is called "Cristabella" in that script which is wrong and Dark Alessa is called "Samael". The fact that there are multiple scripts and cut content shows that ideas were created and discarded. Christabella and Dahlia being sisters could have been a discarded idea. I think they intentionally left their relationship in ambiguity.
The canonicity of the novel is debateable, plus it's in Japanese and there may be room for error regarding misinterpretation. Plus I haven't actually seen it yet.
"the set designer confirming that they are biologically related"
She says they wanted the burning woman to look like she could have been an ancestor of Dahlia or Christabella. This doesn't factually mean they're sisters. I mean, even you and me are "biologically related" to an extent. It could just mean that Dahlia and Christabella share a common ancestor from hundreds of years ago.
"Alessa calling Christabella 'family' in the movie itself"
I know Christabella calls Dahlia "sister" in the film, but it could mean as a "community" terms or a "fellowship" term, like "Sister Margaret" a nun. Same with the "family" thing.
I think the best thing to do is say it "heavily implies it", post our evidence of them being sisters, and leave it to the reader to interpret it as they will.
No, sorry I do not agree with that. There are multiple points proving they're sisters across several different sources, including the movie itself. I see no reason to believe it is anything but a stated fact. There is no evidence at all that it was intentionally left ambiguous, particularly when they went out of their way to make the two characters look alike, created a painting specifically designed to look like them, and added dialogue from both Dark Alessa and Christabella to clear up that they are family. Christabella calls Dahlia her sister because she literally IS her sister.
And I'm sorry, but I can't exactly view it as absolute hardcoded fact either, unless the writers actually say it's canon in the finalized version of the film. I believe there's some room for interpretation.
I can't exactly 'force my way" here, since you're really adamant about this. But why can't you just use a little less definitive language? I mean, it's not like "it's almost certain" and "strongly implied" aren't *that* bad.
At the very least, I'm sure you can agree that we should list these examples on their articles to clarify future potential confusion and uncertainty. I'll do this later.
Because I don't agree that it's anything but entirely clear. It's not implied - it's outright stated in the movie, and is reinforced by three different outside sources. There is an overwhelming mound of evidence that they are canonically related as sisters, and the only way to argue is to try to assign a different random explanation to every piece of evidence and pretend that it's some giant coincidence that all these sources say the same thing. Everything says they're sisters because they are sisters.
So have you ever wondered what happened to the missionary when she lunged at the fight with the dark nurses and the manniquen monster? I thought she killed it with the velocity and the damage from her blades. She was apparently mad for unknown reasons. What do you think happened?
Hey, I recently joined the Xenosaga wikia to try to reverse the damage over there, and (while I could be wrong) it seems that the admin who did all the edits here is reversing my attempts to edit the wikia there by using the Zecroline account (that, or borrowing it from a friend). I really don't know what to do, or how to check if my suspicions are correct.